Everything is host discretion. I think right now the standards are still just at .20 gram measured in order to be MiA legal, however I've got my own implementation that is on board with Pagan's rules for P* platforms. My only differential that I know of is I cut off AEG's at 500 FPS, and only allow bolt actions to go 500-550 with a .20g bb.
This still doesn't solve the issue of high-end AEG DMRs
Is there really an issue here? Granted, I don't read every AAR thread, but that doesn't exactly seem to be a problem that's getting talked about a lot other than in this thread tacked on to the P* issue as a "what if" more so than in response to actual occurrences. Is there a wave of assholes with 500+ FPS DMRs laying into people excessively? Damn near every overkill experience I've seen has been from a full auto AEG shooting legally under 410 FPS. It seems like we're looking at a 100% solution for a <10% problem, and that's never a good idea.
I have to agree with this as well. The only instances of overkilling I have seen are from rifles allowed the use of full auto. I've seen the odd 420-430fps guy who snuck through the chrono with his hop on but never a case of 550fps overkill. In the case of a 550 overkill it should be pretty easy to track the person down. I would imagine someone wincing up in pain and screaming out would get more than a few localized players looking around for the culprit. If someone shot a team mate of mine like that I know I would be looking for who did it.
I have several AEG's shooting over 500fps. I have never over shot someone (hell at long ranges landing one hit is hard enough), I do my best to gauge my MED as best as possible and when in doubt I don't shoot, I wear name tapes prominently so if there is an issue people can identify me, and I only carry a few mags as I generally don't shoot them much. Now that 500fps+ is easily attainable and a bunch of people are using these "DMR's" to overkill I'm not allowed to use rifles that I have spent years perfecting.
The way I see it, it's similar to the AWB scare. One guy goes crazy and shoots up the place and all of a sudden we need to ban them all. The people who respectfully follow the well established MIA rules are punished for those few who don't. I think the P* is becoming a problem because it allows crazy ROF and high FPS at the same time, with almost no effort. You don't get the same level of respect for a platform if you just punch in a couple numbers and dial a regulator. I would be happy to see a ROF cap on ALL platforms for full auto. I've been on the receiving end of several rifles at 30rps+ and it sucks because you get hit at least 10-15 times after calling hit. Like Mosin said I've been hit by a bunch of sniper rifles (from their MED) in my years and I can't recall one that actually hurt. On the same token I don't think 2-3 rounds a second from a 500+ AEG from 50+ feet is the same as 25+ rounds a second from a 400fps AEG at 20+ feet. I'll take the 2-3 500+ any day.
On a slight tangent, how many people around here even have 500fps+ AEG setups? I browse the gallery a lot and can't recall seeing any lately. Are we only banning like 5 guys, or are there a bunch of them out there? I haven't run an event chrono in a long time so maybe this is a bigger deal than I'm aware of.
This is part of why I don't like to play at Kalamazoo Airsoft that much, always seems like there is that one P* guy that ruins it, tho there are a a couple people that don't abuse the power of it. but i guess all places are the same, just wish that there was a standard for hpa guns in MI
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