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Post by Deacon on Apr 27, 2014 19:01:21 GMT -5
I've actually had to confiscate a Win Gun CO2 revolver at a No Limits game. The person tried to sneak it past us. They got the pistol back and were told to go home.
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Post by Stinger on Apr 27, 2014 19:52:08 GMT -5
My pistol never got checked until I asked if you guys wanted to see it...so...yeah.
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Post by Fear Roback on Apr 27, 2014 20:45:35 GMT -5
Just saying, No Limits/Action Paintball, Bangor, and Lenox. Places I have been to and played at, I never had my side arm / secondary checked.
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Post by Squirrel on Apr 27, 2014 20:46:25 GMT -5
My pistol never got checked until I asked if you guys wanted to see it...so...yeah. Like we said, we aren't going to chrono every single green gas GBB, chrono and tagging would take twice as long, especially because it is really hard to get a reading off most gas pistols on a standard airsoft chrono. We check CO2 guns. We haven't had an issue with hot pistols besides for one win gun revolver that was brought on after we had told the person no. This was last year. If we see more people bringing CO2 guns, yes, we will chrono everything, but until that point, we will continue to enforce rules at chrono in the same manner. I feel like this whole argument could have been avoided if you would have maybe messaged Pagan or me since I usually run chrono and asked us how our rules worked. I think we have had a pretty good track record for safety at No Limits in the past two seasons, and lumping us in with the Futureball incident is a little unfair. If you ever have felt unsafe at a game we have hosted, by all means, let us know so we can fix it, but don't just make blanket statements on the internet. Have a little tact.
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Post by Stinger on Apr 27, 2014 20:54:21 GMT -5
My pistol never got checked until I asked if you guys wanted to see it...so...yeah. Like we said, we aren't going to chrono every single green gas GBB, chrono and tagging would take twice as long, especially because it is really hard to get a reading off most gas pistols on a standard airsoft chrono. We check CO2 guns. We haven't had an issue with hot pistols besides for one win gun revolver that was brought on after we had told the person no. This was last year. If we see more people bringing CO2 guns, yes, we will chrono everything, but until that point, we will continue to enforce rules at chrono in the same manner. I feel like this whole argument could have been avoided if you would have maybe messaged Pagan or me since I usually run chrono and asked us how our rules worked. I think we have had a pretty good track record for safety at No Limits in the past two seasons, and lumping us in with the Futureball incident is a little unfair. If you ever have felt unsafe at a game we have hosted, by all means, let us know so we can fix it, but don't just make blanket statements on the internet. Have a little tact. Relax, I never said I felt unsafe. My point was that this incident with the BB gun could have happened at pretty much any event. People were blaming Futureball when Futureball didn't prevent it much less than Action Paintball would have. I suppose I should have said, "To my knowledge, they [Action Paintball] weren't checking pistols either." I am sorry for my blanket statement. I understand why you guys don't check everything. But of course when Futureball doesn't check everything for about the same reason, and something slips through, it's all Futureball's fault.
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Post by Cam on Apr 27, 2014 21:22:07 GMT -5
My pistol never got checked until I asked if you guys wanted to see it...so...yeah. Just because no one asks to see your sidearm, doesn't mean we don't look to see if you have one on you. Like Squirrel and I have stated, we look mainly for CO2 pistols. End of story. If we notice you have one (and it's 40F or warmer out) we'll kindly ask you to chrono it for reasons like this.
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Post by Stinger on Apr 27, 2014 21:23:18 GMT -5
My pistol never got checked until I asked if you guys wanted to see it...so...yeah. Just because no one asks to see your sidearm, doesn't mean we don't look to see if you have one on you. Like Squirrel and I have stated, we look mainly for CO2 pistols. End of story. If we notice you have one (and it's 40F or warmer out) we'll kindly ask you to chrono it for reasons like this. You're beating a dead horse at this point...and you completely missed my purpose in that statement, which I re-explained for you guys above.
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Post by Cam on Apr 27, 2014 21:53:11 GMT -5
Just because no one asks to see your sidearm, doesn't mean we don't look to see if you have one on you. Like Squirrel and I have stated, we look mainly for CO2 pistols. End of story. If we notice you have one (and it's 40F or warmer out) we'll kindly ask you to chrono it for reasons like this. You're beating a dead horse at this point...and you completely missed my purpose in that statement, which I re-explained for you guys above. I HIGHLY suggest you re-evaluate what you have to say before the next time you post. Myself and the rest of the SK guys are all here to make for the safest environment we can provide. We're not here to get into fights with people online about how big someone's E-Penis is. But surely a MIA veteran of 2 months such as yourself would know that. So next time, before you try to speak for us, please get the facts straight. All I was saying was that while we may not chrono every gun, or notice everyone's side arms, we still do what we can to make the sport as safe as possible. Also, if you think us explaining our safety rules to you is "beating a dead horse", you're going to have a very unpleasant, and short, stay here.
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Post by Stinger on Apr 27, 2014 22:02:03 GMT -5
You're beating a dead horse at this point...and you completely missed my purpose in that statement, which I re-explained for you guys above. I HIGHLY suggest you re-evaluate what you have to say before the next time you post. Myself and the rest of the SK guys are all here to make for the safest environment we can provide. We're not here to get into fights with people online about how big someone's E-Penis is. But surely a MIA veteran of 2 months such as yourself would know that. So next time, before you try to speak for us, please get the facts straight. All I was saying was that while we may not chrono every gun, or notice everyone's side arms, we still do what we can to make the sport as safe as possible. Also, if you think us explaining our safety rules to you is "beating a dead horse", you're going to have a very unpleasant, and short, stay here. This thread isn't even about SK...the only reason I mentioned you guys was to make the point that this could have happened pretty much anywhere. It wasn't an accusation or insult of any sort. I know you guys run a tight ship. And it is beating a dead horse...especially since I have already tried to end this off-topic conversation peacefully several times by apologizing and trying to change the topic back to Futureball. So please, go about your way, and let's stop this silly discussion. A serious incident happened at Futureball, and we're trying to figure it out. I may have derailed it a bit. Sorry Back to business
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Post by Knief on Apr 27, 2014 22:54:36 GMT -5
I think the point that people are beating around a bit, CStinger, is that it seems telling that No Limits, which has been hosting large airsoft games for going on 5 or 6 years now, has not had a similar problem. But as soon as Futureball makes a push to bring in a larger airsoft player base, they get somebody bringing a potentially lethal and definitely dangerous weapon onto the field. It's not that the same thing couldn't possibly happen elsewhere, of course it could. But that it happened at Futureball, especially when they're pushing for incredibly high FPS limits against the educated community in the state, is a big red flag that maybe this kind of behavior is organic to the atmosphere they're creating. That induction also fits well with the story that a number of players were lifting up their goggles repeatedly, but not being removed from the field for it. When you create an environment where rules are stated but not enforced, people will break the rules and act in an unsafe manner.
Sure, it could have happened elsewhere. But it did happen at a field that already had a major safety concern and a stubborn disposition to reinvent the wheel instead of adoptimg rules that the educated Michigan community have proven work for over a decade. If this happened at No Limits, it would be a huge shock. That it happened at Futureball feels like it was only a matter of time. That's the point that the SK guys are driving at. None of the major fields in the state that abide by reasonable safety rules have had any such incident because they create a culture of safe play and respect among players. Futureball does something else.
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Post by Ogre on Apr 28, 2014 6:56:43 GMT -5
Myself and the rest of the SK guys are all here to make for the safest environment we can provide. We're not here to get into fights with people online about how big someone's E-Penis is. But surely a MIA veteran of 2 months such as yourself would know that. I don't think stating that just because someone hasn't been on the forums that long means he doesn't know anything is exactly fair. There are plenty of people who have been in Airsoft for years before they join the forums either due to the, coming from other states or simply not knowing about them. I was at Bangor this weekend and saw some pretty geared up people who have been in the sport for 5 years, never had been on the forums, heard about the game via facebook and gave me some pointers on what I should be doing next to my DMR build. I didn't mean any disrespect and I know that isn't the case here but I think that is why a lot of players dislike MiA because of how judgmental people on here can be, I wouldn't be inclined to join if I was just going to be bashed on for being a new player. You also say how you don't want to fight over how has the biggest E-penis but saying sarcastic like Surely an MIA veteran of two months such as yourself would know that. reads to me as Okay new guy, I've been in this sport longer than you, I clearly know more, just shut up and let the big dogs handle this. My dick is bigger, F-off Maybe I'm reading to much into it but that's just my $.02 . Anyways, back on topic, Futureball is at fault for encouraging a culture of unsafe play, that's about it, the owner actually cared about Airsofters, he would change, he doesn't, I'm still in favor of starting a massive boycott to show him exactly how much profit he can gain or lose due to keeping us Airsofters happy.
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Post by Knief on Apr 28, 2014 9:18:20 GMT -5
Cam didn't say that the guy doesn't know much about airsoft, did he? He's making a pretty reasonable assumption that a guy who is new to the community won't know much about the members of that community; that he wouldn't know SK's MO well enough to comment on it with authority. That's also a little dubious, the guy might have been going to No Limits games for years and just never made a personal connection with anybody. But you're talking like Cam called him an airsoft noob, which he clearly did not. It's not that you're reading too much into it, it's that you didn't read into it correctly.
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Post by Ogre on Apr 28, 2014 9:55:27 GMT -5
Yeah you're right, my bad.
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Post by X on Apr 28, 2014 10:17:53 GMT -5
Not to start an argument here, but I got the same vibe that Ogre did. It probably could have been said a little more tactfully.
Sent from my XT1080 using proboards
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Post by Stinger on Apr 28, 2014 13:12:46 GMT -5
Not to start an argument here, but I got the same vibe that Ogre did. It probably could have been said a little more tactfully. Sent from my XT1080 using proboards I've been playing airsoft for nine years. Given, only the most recent four of that have been serious airsoft. I'm not an airsoft noob. I have known about the MiA community for about two years, but I never joined until recently. I run the most popular YouTube channel for airsoft in Michigan, if not one of the most popular. But Knief is still correct. Cam's point was not that I'm new to airsoft. I am new to the community. This is totally irrelevant. I'm not offended. This thread is for Futureball. I may just make an entirely different thread for the investigation into the BB incident, because I can't get this one back on topic no matter how hard I try. EDIT: There is now an after-action report for the 2014 Player Appreciation Day at Futureball on the 26th of April, so I will be posting all video/evidence there (as well as my regular, non evidence-oriented video gameplay and montages from the event).
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