m16 or m14?

[Biz]

I'm looking at buying a longer range aeg. And I can't decide what I want. But I have 3 guns in mind, the g&g gr-16 a3, kwa km16 BR, and the g&g m14. I'm leaning a bit towards the m14 because I heard g&g has fixed their original design problems. And the gearbox is so much stronger then v2 gearboxs. So it will be much more acceptable to upgrades. So what gun would you get? Why? What upgrades would you put in it(on a budget). And if your going to suggest another gun, my price limit is 350 upgrades and all.

[Carnage]

I would get the G&G GR-16 A3, an M110 spring, better hop-up, and a 6.03mm 509mm TBB.

Also, later on you can get an RIS unit to attach multiple things on it. And if you're planning on making a DMR, here's a great post from ASF: airsoftsniper.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=aeg&action=display&thread=1291.

[Knief]

I would get the M14 for the reasons you listed, and also because I have a thing for M14s right now. But that doesn't mean that Carnage is wrong. For him, the G&G is the gun, because it has something that he values. For me, the M14 is the gun, because it has something that I value. And none of that is going to help you decide. You don't need to ask us which guns we would get. You're going to be playing with them, not us. You need to ask that question of yourself. Which of those guns has the qualities that you desire most?

All three are great guns with top notch performance. Whichever one you get, it won't be a bad choice. You just need to decide which one works for you.

Maybe we could be more helpful if you told us what your concerns are for each gun. What's stopping you from buying any one of these?

[Biz]

Concerns for the kwa, shoots over 400, and come on, who wants to lower the fps on a DMR and. I have heard people having problems with the new gearbox supposedly, the bushings mainly.

Only concern for the g&g m16 is the weak gearbox shell(v2)

And I really don't have a concern for the m14, I aswell have a thing for m14's . But like the g&g m16 I would either put in a m110 or 130 and make it semi auto. You think the stock g&g motor can handle the m130 on semi auto with a large 9.6?

[Carnage]

I'm sure you already know this but FPS is not the key to longer range and better accuracy. If anything, an M110 spring with a bunch of parts and modifications mentioned in the link I posted should be great for the best air compression to increase range, a better hop-up unit and bucking, and a 6.03mm Tight Bore Barrel with increase accuracy with the longer range.

[Biz]

I do know fps isn't everything, but a higher fps means my bbs will get there faster, and a higher fps does help with range a bit. A stock g&g m14 will get beat by a g&g m14 with only an m130... And I plan on grabbing a systema bucking. Any other parts you'd suggest? I'm not going to spend the money on a tbb because of the stock 6.04

[Knief]

Biz is right on both counts, not to mention that a bb with more energy will cut through brush much better as well. Remember, discounting FPS entirely is just as wrong as using it as the sole judgement of the abilities of a gun. Yes, you can tune a 300 FPS gun to outrange a stock gun with a 400FPS spring thrown in it. But if you've got two simlar guns that have both been tuned well and with the proper parts, the one that's shooting hotter will out-range the other. If somebody is serious about putting together a proper DMR, then pushing that 450ish line, along with all of the other necessary upgrades, will give him the performance to outclass most other AEGs on the field.

As long as the player using that gun understands and accepts his limitations (semi-only, 50 foot MED, no CQB play, higher frequency of repairs, higher cost of ammo, etc) then there's no reason not to go for it if that's the role he wants to take on the field.

[Fugazi]

Honestly, I would go a different route than all of you on this. I would go with a Tokyo Marui M14. I mean, he said he wants range, no? TM M14's shoot further/more accurately than almost any other stock AEG, ever. And most of the gun is metal. Same parts that are on a G&G anyway. No matter how you tune the G&G, it will NEVER shoot as far as the TM can. That's what makes the TM M14 so good, it's hop-up.

[Biz]

What's the price on the tm m14? And aren't tm's ALWAYS out of stock lmao

[Fugazi]

May 19, 2011 14:35:30 GMT -5 Biz said:

What's the price on the tm m14? And aren't tm's ALWAYS out of stock lmao

Depends where you're getting it from. AirsoftGI? Yes. They typically run around $450, but they're VERY worth it. The money you would have to spend on anything else to make it shoot like that would be well over $450 dollars...

www.airsoftatlanta.com/Tokyo_Marui_M14_AEG_OD_Green_Stock_p/87146.htm

[TheEnd]

May 19, 2011 14:10:16 GMT -5 Fugazi said:

I would go with a Tokyo Marui M14.

I know I will probably catch a lot of flak here for saying this, but I honestly don't think TM's are all that great. Having owned about 5 TM AEG's I can say their range is great but it isn't earth shatteringly impossible to make other AEG's shoot as far. I still believe just about any AEG that has decent quality internals and shoots 260 FPS will last forever. I don't mean to turn this thread into a TM vs other companies debate but I feel the need to say it. To keep this on track, I'm going to explain why I wouldn't buy the TM M14 over the G&G/CA versions.

I vastly prefer the G&G/CA M14 over the TM several reasons. I also vastly prefer the CA M14 over the G&G for several reasons.

Reasons I prefer the G&G/CA type M14 over the TM M14:

- Gearbox shell is extremely reinforced.
- Gearbox is simpler, less parts to break/jam.
- Hop up is bolted to the gear box.
- Uses common V2/3 gears which are cheaper.
- Uses common V2/3 Pistons which are cheaper and stronger.
- Uses AUG hop up which is also known for its range.
- Uses a normal AEG barrel which is easier to get.

Reasons I prefer the Classic Army over the G&G M14:

- Has a TM style fire selector which is simple.
- Uses a normal anti-reversal latch.
- Fixed motor cage prevents "motor wobble".
- Fully adjustable rear sight makes using the irons possible (G&G rear elevation is fixed).

[Knief]

You're probably looking at $450 or so to get a TM M14 to your door, though it's been a while since I've looked. Most stateside retailers don't stock a lot of TM guns because their profit margin is low and they're harder to import (they won't ship directly to America). You should be able to find them pretty easily on the Hong Kong based websites like Ehobbyasia, WGC, UNCompany, Redwolf, etc.

I agree with Fugazi, they shoot better than other stock gun I've ever seen. They're more expensive, and don't come with the real wood stock that G&G offers on some models. Plus, as noted, you can't pick one up from your favorite local retailer (though many may be willing to special order one for you). I didn't bring it up because the G&G is also a great option and didn't want to complicate your decision even more. That said, the TM M14 is more than worth looking into.

TheEnd, have you owned a TM M14? I ask because while most TMs have range to match or slightly better other high end competition (and embarass clones and CA ARs), their M14 is in a whole new league. It floats out rounds like no other AEG I've ever seen.

Then, you have the problem with the CA, namely that it's a CA. I know you've had good luck with them so far, but very few people can claim that. CA has a long history of quality control that at best can be described as "questionable," but is probably more accurately called "flat shitty." their lemon rate is probably about on par with clones, and has been for a decade. And while that's not the worst thing in the world for somebody who knows how to fix a gun, it can be disastrous for a new player.

[Gunny87]

If you're gonna get a G&G M14 go with the Veteran model. A little more but worth it. Or the TM M14 as Mike mentioned.

I've owned a stock G&G M14, upgraded E1 EBR so I do have a soft spot for M14s. Holding a M14 is quite a treat, it just feels different wielding on the field compared to all your other assault rifles. Also if you plan on heavily upgrading it to make it a serious DMR I'd trust the V7 gearbox over the V2.

If you go with the G&G M14 you will be limited to using CA/G&G M14 magazines as they aren't compatible with TM M14 magazines. They are also more expensive and are harder to come by. One of the only real downsides to using a G&G/CA M14 IMO. The magazines are also bigger and you can't fit two of them in like a Stanag mag pouch.

Personally I wasn't too impressed with the stock 6.04 TBB that's in the G&G M14. It wasn't horrible but you'll get better performance out of like a Prommy TBB. Which I've become very fond of as I've gotten the best accuracy on them and have them in two of my AEGs.

[Fugazi]

Also, isn't G&G the one with proprietary mags? I get them mixed up, but I know when I had my CYMA one (which was gutted for stock TM internals) it was compatible with TM mags. Not that it's a deal-breaker, but it's definitely an inconvenience. I'm a G&G fanboy, I swear by them, but in this particular instance, I would go with TM. Every company has guns they're known for making exceptionally well. G&G has it's M4's, TM has it's P90, M14, MP5 (pretty much everything except their UZI, really), Maruzen has it's sniper rifles, etc. I will note, however, that the G&G stock motor will pull more than the EG-700 (May be EG-1000...) if you plan on upgrading the spring. The hop-up in a TM M14 is unmatched though, no two-ways about it.

[Biz]

I don't have 450 :/ but I think I'm going to go with g&gs m14, new bucking, and a m130