SniperJ
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Post by SniperJ on Jan 11, 2004 21:29:03 GMT -5
I think that everyone is missing the entire point here. This Isn't supposed to be an outright bashing of all paintball. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there two types of paintball? yeah, Speedball (the kind being slammed, with all the jerseys+expensive gear) and woods ball, which is just like airsoft, but played w/ paintball guns. True that Speedball is a lot more popular than the older classic woods wars, but you cant beat a 48 hour senario game with Tanks and Airplanes for realisim. I dont know much about "real" airsoft games (I only have played a few in a small homemade field), but I know that Airsoft and Paintball both could learn from each other. PEACE OUT!
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Post by casper on Jan 30, 2004 12:22:03 GMT -5
I didnt want this to be my first post but, I am a fan of both, but paintball is way more expensive, you can start out cheep, but lowend markers are not to upgradeable and if you want to stop the kids bunkering you, you have to be quick and good on the trigger, I am not one of the rich kids that play, but I sold my soul and got a way tweeked angel, with air america sys. all my gear retailed for well over 2500, + air and way to much paint and I only shot semi, I could easily spend 100$ a day on paint, I dont know how the people who dump can afford to play. this is why I sold my angel. airsoft on the otherhand is fairly cheap to get a decent gun, I know it can be expensive if you want a m249 or real looking sr-25 but most are around 2-3 hundred + electricity and bb's. and I play airsoft, real like only low caps, so you have to change clips, I hate hicaps because it reminds me why I stopped playing paintball dumping,, in combat you might really dump but a m4 only has a 30 rd mag, even a 249 only has 150. I want realisim, I do like the people that play airsoft that I met sofar. but as far as cheating I have only played with friends so If I catch you cheating I will do like I do in paintball, next time dump a whole clip at close range so you will feel it and dont have time to think of cheating. oh yea, paintball has bullsh** gear also that is expensive, tubes, harnesses, neon pink outfits, etc.
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KMGor
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Post by KMGor on Jan 31, 2004 7:11:38 GMT -5
Well, it really depends on what you're doing. You can buy cheap stuff in paintball, but to have a real competetive chance and what have you, you're gonna need better then a pump action POS.
I'm no paintball expert, but let me look at a good starter gun in airsoft...
Say, buy the MC51 package from Dentrinity, buy a bag of BBs, a charger/discharger, BDUs, and goggles. I think we can agree that is skirmishable right there.
Here's how I break down the cost
MC51 (gun, battery, standard mag and hicap mag + included shipping) - $270 Charger/discharger - $30 BDU - $20 (buy em used, I did) Goggles - $15 BBs - $15
Total of $350. I don't think you can get a similarly performing setup in paintball for that amount.
Or, let's go the ULTRA CHEAP route...
Upgraded Maruzen CA870 springer (Upgraded spring + extra magazine) - $140 BBs - $15 BDus - $20 Goggles - $20
$195.
It is true that many in airsoft get a lot of very expensive gear, but it isn't needed and generally doesn't make as big of a difference as stuff in paintball seems to. My paintball experience is very limited though, forgive me if I'm way off base here.
As far as the actual sports, I've seen speedball played and it doesn't appeal to me. I don't know about woodball though. Paintballs don't seem to have nearly the range that airsoft does, and I like the bit longer range abilities a lot. The realism and coolness factor of airsoft is also a lot higher.
I hope someday we see some kind of merging, maybe with paintball BBs that are actually good? That would be pretty cool, I think. Don't know if it is feasible.
Anyone seen that new M16-looking paintball gun that shoots the smaller sized paintballs? Something like that might be good, dunno. Still expensive ammo-wise though.
The honor system is a pretty good one, and works better then you would first guess, but there are times when you simply don't know if you've been hit or not (especially with all the people who wear a lot of heavy equipment). That's the one thing I like better about paintball completely.
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Post by Bigmack on Jan 31, 2004 8:44:13 GMT -5
Feh. i got sick of fields charging 60 bucks per 1000 rounds.... but thats just me.
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Post by Jacko on Jan 31, 2004 13:10:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't want to clean paint off all my, expensive but uneccasary, gear. My old adage is 'If they couldn't tell they were hit, hit 'em again'. That always seems to work.
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Post by Petary791 on Feb 1, 2004 15:51:02 GMT -5
Not too piss anybody off, but I think of airsoft more as a hobby (my favorite hobby) and paintballing more as a sport.
However some paintballers are *ssh*les about airsoft
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KMGor
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Post by KMGor on Feb 1, 2004 20:24:45 GMT -5
Not too piss anybody off, but I think of airsoft more as a hobby (my favorite hobby) and paintballing more as a sport. However some paintballers are *ssh*les about airsoft I think that is fair in the US, where play is less serious. In, say, Japan where airsoft is as big as paintball is here, it isn't really true. Paintball has ladders and tournaments and crap like that, airsoft just doesn't have the infrastructure in the USA yet (if it ever will). I'd still consider it a sport as much as paintball is, since they're exactly the same in concept, but it is much less organized.
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Post by Petary791 on Feb 1, 2004 21:29:10 GMT -5
I mean in U.S. I know that in Japan airsoft is the thing
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Post by Gunslinger on Feb 1, 2004 22:05:21 GMT -5
And theres some group a friend found in russia that has choppers and jeeps and other vehicles. If I wouldent have read it for my self I wouldent have beleived it. I also think airsoft is better just because of the realism, the comrodery of friends of mine who own (and my self included) real steel wepons and cant beleive the closeness of real to replica. Thats whats gonna keep me buying air soft even if I never go to a skirmish or event of any kind. I just love the look and feel of the equipment and all it has potential to be. Give it time, even though I hope it never does become as big as paint ball just due to all the child like minded people who are doing that sport, but I beleive it will arrive.
just my 0.02
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HotelSixActual
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Post by HotelSixActual on Feb 2, 2004 21:26:49 GMT -5
Just wondering by why do you not consider arisoft a sport but you do consider paintball one? You exsert the same type of phiscal activity in both. Unless your saying that airsoft is not a sport because there are no big teams and such.
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Post by wolverine98 on Feb 2, 2004 23:56:54 GMT -5
I didn't want this to be my first post either, but as a former serious paintballer, I thought i'd throw in my two cents. I played paintball for the past 6 years, fairly regularly, and pretty seriously. I had the $700 Automag with all the goodies to go with it. This past summer, my friend (also an avid paintballer) told me about these guns he had seen at Dunhams. I thought, for $20, I'd give it a try. From the first time we ran around shooting each other with our spring action Sig Sauers, neither of us ever played paintball again. Why?
Paintball is more expensive. Sure, you can buy the $150 Spyder or Tippman, but you'll get laughed at by serious players (yes, I used to do it too). Paint is at least $50-60 per 1000 rounds, because nearly all fields require you to buy field paint (which is usually the crappy stuff too).
Paintball players, the serious ones, are a$$holes. I've only realized this by talking to airsoft players. When someone does something wrong, some other players get really, really pissed. I never did that myself, but i've seen many first time players get berated, and vow to never come back.
Paintball, at least in its currant state, is not a wargame. Players go out of their way to distinguish paintball from war. Paintball has become all about quantity over quality. If you have a full auto gun, and 4000 rounds strapped to your belt, you're considered a good player. If you're an ex-Navy SEAL, but have a Spyder, no one will want you on their team.
There is no stealth or strategy in paintball. Aiming is not real effective because paintballs, by their very nature of being liquid filled, do not fly straight. The whole point of paintball is to find a nice bunker, stick your gun over the top, and unload. And it is fun, but nothing compared to airsoft. Paintball is checkers, airsoft is chess.
Those are just some of the reasons I'll never play paintball again. I think the only real knock against airsoft, is that its hard to find players. Also, for people like me who don't have the time to join a team and practice every week, its hard to find regular playing partners. But, on a good note, paintball was not all that different when I started playing. Give airsoft a few years, and I think it will grow. The first time I ever heard of it was last July. Just give it time, and spread the word. Organize events and encourage people to bring first-timers. That's how paintball grew.
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Post by Bigmack on Feb 3, 2004 0:05:18 GMT -5
@ Wolverine98
Excellent first post.
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Post by luke213 on Feb 3, 2004 0:42:01 GMT -5
Very nice first post.
Luke
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Post by Jacko on Feb 3, 2004 0:56:31 GMT -5
I concur. You and munky should be duly awarded, wolverine98.
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Post by Munin on Feb 3, 2004 10:49:39 GMT -5
Word. You pretty much encapsulated my opinion on the subject. Glad to have you aboard, Wolverine.
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