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Post by Ogre on Jul 25, 2013 12:50:54 GMT -5
Now don't take this the wrong way, but in some cases, certain shooting glasses do conform to peoples faces closely enough that there is no space for a bb to get through. Is that allowed by inspection only, or not allowed to just keep the complications of the goggle rule to a minimum. Sent from my Torque using proboards Not allowed. It will just make things more complicated and people will complain about it or report it constantly. Some fields I've been to downstate will allow them given you have them strapped to you like normal goggles.
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Jul 25, 2013 12:57:28 GMT -5
Not allowed. It will just make things more complicated and people will complain about it or report it constantly. Some fields I've been to downstate will allow them given you have them strapped to you like normal goggles. Here in Michigan?
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Post by Novak on Jul 25, 2013 13:00:35 GMT -5
If I may add my idea to the original topic. If when at chrono, players submit the pair(s) of goggles they plan on using, and all acceptable goggles receive a ziptie or arm band around the strap much like the rifles. So that when on the field players under question can show the ziptied goggle strap to prove that they are OK. It should only take a few more seconds at chrono and a few more zipties, and could save a lot of hassle.
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Post by slippy on Jul 25, 2013 13:06:43 GMT -5
Some fields I've been to downstate will allow them given you have them strapped to you like normal goggles. Here in Michigan? Um I've never seen it allowed period and I've done milsims at most fields in the state. Any examples ogre?
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Post by Ogre on Jul 25, 2013 13:16:37 GMT -5
Um I've never seen it allowed period and I've done milsims at most fields in the state. Any examples ogre? I was in Kazoo for a rec game back in December and I saw one person wearing Safety glasses that fit close to the face with a strap on them and they were standing next to a ref and nothing was said.
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Post by buckeye on Jul 25, 2013 13:27:52 GMT -5
Just because nothing was said, doesn't mean they were alright to use.
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Post by Ogre on Jul 25, 2013 13:36:35 GMT -5
Just because nothing was said, doesn't mean they were alright to use. I talked to the ref before I left that day and he said "they didn't care". EDIT: Main reason I haven't been back to the Airhouse since December.
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Post by Knief on Jul 25, 2013 13:56:26 GMT -5
If I may add my idea to the original topic. If when at chrono, players submit the pair(s) of goggles they plan on using, and all acceptable goggles receive a ziptie or arm band around the strap much like the rifles. So that when on the field players under question can show the ziptied goggle strap to prove that they are OK. It should only take a few more seconds at chrono and a few more zipties, and could save a lot of hassle. Sent from my Torque using proboards Unnecessary. If you can see the zip tie, you can see that the eyepro is or isn't up to snuff. Hosts should be doing a Goggle check as players enter the field, along with a FPS/MED marker check.
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Post by Slapjack on Aug 6, 2013 8:59:25 GMT -5
The event in question, Jackal III, was very lax indeed about goggle regulations, even on the green team. I told several players "It's against the rules to have your goggles off, so I would highly recommend putting them back on. I'm not staff, but if I was, you'd be kicked out" which got about half the people listening to put them back on. I can't speak fully about the event host who seemed not to have full-seal goggles except that my perception was ALSO that he was in violation.
When I got there, my gun chrono'd a little hot, so I was prepared to go ahead and adjust the NPAS or take the full-auto mechanism out (WE Scar-L GBB, it's not too hard to do with some tools and 20 min) and go semi-only, but surprisingly the guy chrono'ing told me I was ok (admittedly it shot between 420 and 400 every shot). I stayed on Semi because I'm cool like that, but it made me wonder what else had been let slide.
On another note: Require full-seal goggles ALL THE TIME where shooting is allowed. I had a friend almost lose an eye IN HIS ROOM from an "unloaded" gun (there was a BB chambered and the battery was in). I wouldn't want to have someone else live that experience, especially.
Final note: I say zero-tolerance when it comes to safety, zero-tolerance when it comes to following other regulations (camo restrictions, etc) that are posted before the event. People need to realize that if they plan on attending the party, they better come dressed for the occasion and ready to act as expected.
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Post by Ogre on Aug 6, 2013 15:18:49 GMT -5
I can't speak fully about the event host who seemed not to have full-seal goggles except that my perception was ALSO that he was in violation. I ran flak jacks the entire time? Unless you are talking about the Co Host Deputy, but he was on tan.
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Post by Lone Wolf on Aug 6, 2013 19:05:04 GMT -5
Im a pretty laid back guy and at my own teams Training I allow them to use shooting glasses instead becasue we are generaly not shooting at Eachother. During these games, wether REC or MILSIM, the rules are the rules and should be enforced. Now we had been at a CQB field in the Detroit area(no names)and the home team set off one of OUR thunder Bs in the READY ROOM!!! I looked around and nobody in the room, including myself, my teammate, or the event hosts themselves had ANY type of Eye pro on. Luckly it was not filled with bbs or someone could have been seriously injured.
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Aug 6, 2013 20:03:13 GMT -5
we are generaly not shooting at Eachother. What does that mean that you generally don't shoot at each other? You only shoot at each other sometimes or you always try to miss? Please explain. If you already have the equipment, why not use it? To be honest I don't get why anyone sees the need to have to "practice" airsoft. It's one of those things you learn on the field and is hard to simulate unless you are actually playing it. However back to the practice topic. When basketball teams practice, don't they use a basketball? They don't substitute it by using volleyballs or a bowling ball because they are simulating the real thing. If you feel the need to "practice" airsoft wouldn't it be good to simulate it exactly? The benefits to that is that you develop the same skills and practices and safety checks in practice as you do in games. We've done shooting competitions where we are not shooting at anyone besides small targets but we still require full seal goggles because you never know when a bb will bounce back at you or do something seemingly impossible. Is it overkill? Probably but when it comes to my eyesight and my friends eyesight I want to make damn sure I'm not the one who is responsible for making that go away. If you want your guys to learn the right way, make them wear full seal (non mesh) goggles all the time. Be a good leader and do it by example.
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Post by Lone Wolf on Aug 6, 2013 20:58:45 GMT -5
we are generaly not shooting at Eachother. What does that mean that you generally don't shoot at each other? You only shoot at each other sometimes or you always try to miss? Please explain. When doing target shooting in an open enviroment. If enclosed or when are simulateing the Full seal are required. [/quote] If you already have the equipment, why not use it? To be honest I don't get why anyone sees the need to have to "practice" airsoft. It's one of those things you learn on the field and is hard to simulate unless you are actually playing it. [/quote] For one thing this thread isnt about teams practicing. but we are a Special Forces Based MilSim team and we practice strategy, movements, formations, fireing stances and postitions and so on. We model off of the military and therefore we teach military tactics and stratagey. Thats just the way we operate, dose it mean everyone should do it? No what happens in your team is whatever your team wants. We model the military and strive to be better operators. Most of our members will be military members soon. Its just what we do. [/quote] However back to the practice topic. When basketball teams practice, don't they use a basketball? They don't substitute it by using volleyballs or a bowling ball because they are simulating the real thing. If you feel the need to "practice" airsoft wouldn't it be good to simulate it exactly? The benefits to that is that you develop the same skills and practices and safety checks in practice as you do in games. [/quote] Once again this thread isnt about my Units practice. And we practice like we are in a game. If weapons are hot we have eye pro. [/quote] We've done shooting competitions where we are not shooting at anyone besides small targets but we still require full seal goggles because you never know when a bb will bounce back at you or do something seemingly impossible. Is it overkill? Probably but when it comes to my eyesight and my friends eyesight I want to make damn sure I'm not the one who is responsible for making that go away.[/quote] I understand what your saying here But understand that all of my guys have eye protection. [/quote] If you want your guys to learn the right way, make them wear full seal (non mesh) goggles all the time. Be a good leader and do it by example.[/quote] When weapons are hot they are wearing eye protection(no mesh, I dont trust mesh)when we started, we had accidents(not involving airsoft replicas) because of stupidity. They all know the importance of safety and I personaly stress the saftey issue that was the point of this post... not hitting on my teams training or my personal leadership.
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Post by deputy865 on Aug 8, 2013 14:16:16 GMT -5
I can't speak fully about the event host who seemed not to have full-seal goggles except that my perception was ALSO that he was in violation. I ran flak jacks the entire time? Unless you are talking about the Co Host Deputy, but he was on tan. I had full-seal on during all times I wasn't in the safety zone.
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