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Post by slippy on Jul 23, 2013 6:44:44 GMT -5
Ogre, I have to be honest man because you have a good thing going and I feel safe in saying that the northern Michigan Airsoft community as a whole would be saddened by the loss of your field. I was seeing people, on the field, wearing safety glasses up until the dinner break when my group left. And as I said one of them was wearing lab goggles. We both know that this kind of thing can't continue.
If you weren't aware of this taking place or you were understaffed then don't be afraid to ask for help. My group would have been more than happy to act as another few sets of eyes for ya man. We typically play in state and also attend ops in Indiana and Ohio despite living near Cadillac, we're fairly experienced.
I'm not trying to put you guys down man, it's just that I want to see you, and every event host, continue to improve and better yourselves. The event was a lot of fun despite the camo mix up and you guys have improved dramatically as hosts. But things such as this often get overshadowed by unsafe play.
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Post by Ogre on Jul 23, 2013 8:59:18 GMT -5
If you weren't aware of this taking place or you were understaffed then don't be afraid to ask for help. My group would have been more than happy to act as another few sets of eyes for ya man. We typically play in state and also attend ops in Indiana and Ohio despite living near Cadillac, we're fairly experienced. Thanks, I will keep that in mind.
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Post by buckeye on Jul 23, 2013 9:04:37 GMT -5
Yup. In fact, I had to tell a couple people at that OP to get their goggles on so I have no problem policing rule violators when I see them.
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Post by deputy865 on Jul 23, 2013 17:06:02 GMT -5
I do not rememeb tan checking my gun/goggles. I had 4 wheeler goggled with foam around it that covored my whole eye face section. it was a decently tight foam but yeah. The tan leader (and green leader) were instructed multiple times to check Every. Single. Player. for 2 things. 1. Full seal goggles and 2. Tags on all guns proving they chrono'd before entering the field.. They should have been doing this every time players entered the field. I myself also lent out 4 pairs of full seal goggles, to my surprise, I got all of them back. I set this rule in place because of all the bad flak Dakota (Ogre) has received from his previous events about safety. I had to tell several players to not dry fire in the safe zone and to take their mags out.. Some people, as you say, just don't get it. Regardless of the signs and my warnings and instructions during the briefing. If you were missed by your leader, I apologize, I should have been the one checking every player. We will also be much more strict about team leaders next time as we had a problems. Any other violations on the field will just take more reffing and more staff, which is something I told Dakota he needs to take care of before he even posts an event from here forward. I decided to take reins on this event for Dakota to help him out and to hopefully prevent him from getting shut down and hosting on MIA. I've never helped him in the past other than the occasional random suggestion or comment. With that being said, I also take full responsibility for the event. Anything can be directed at me. If you're wondering who I am, I'm Shane. I wore the blue shorts/charcoal shirt while I chrono'd some players, did the briefing and ran around the event site doing all I can. During the game, I was wearing tan pants, black shirt and a tan hat. You may have seen me wear my bright orange vest out there reffing a few times as well (I still got shot?? haha)
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Post by slippy on Jul 23, 2013 18:18:34 GMT -5
If you weren't aware of this taking place or you were understaffed then don't be afraid to ask for help. My group would have been more than happy to act as another few sets of eyes for ya man. We typically play in state and also attend ops in Indiana and Ohio despite living near Cadillac, we're fairly experienced. The same offer is extended to you as well man.
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Post by Jazzman on Jul 23, 2013 18:40:46 GMT -5
Zagar, unfortunately, most off roading goggles aren't ballistics rated and should not be used for airsoft.
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Post by Knief on Jul 23, 2013 18:59:07 GMT -5
Kick somebody out for breaking the full seal rule. Whether it's because they sneak safety glasses (or God forbid, lab goggles, which are not typically ANSI Z87.1 compliant) onto the field or for removing their goggles outside of the safe zone, kick somebody out. Do it loudly and do it publicly. Give him no warnings after the briefing. The first person who does it gets the boot. It doesn't matter if it's a stranger, your friend, or your grandma. You enforce that rule publicly and nobody will break it again. Nobody wants to go home. The reason they're breaking that rule is because they don't believe you'll enforce it. The only way to stop them is to prove that you will enforce it.
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Post by X on Jul 24, 2013 12:27:55 GMT -5
Zagar, unfortunately, most off roading goggles aren't ballistics rated and should not be used for airsoft. I don't think that's an accurate statement. www.smithoptics.com/faq.html/www.oakley.com/customer-care/faqwww.dragonalliance.com/en-us/moto-goggles#global/all/group/nfxI've worn Oakley O Frames the entire time I've played airsoft and they have stopped hundreds of BBs. Think about it. They're supposed to stop rocks from taking out your eyes. I would say the opposite is probably true. There are surely some fly by night companies out there making non-ANSI moto goggles, but it looks like from my research that most of the name brands (excluding Spy Optics) are Z87.1 Rated. What it comes down to is, it's up to the player to find out if it's ANSI rated. If a host asks someone about the rating and they give a "derrr I don't know.." Then throw 'em out or find replacement eyewear.
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Post by slippy on Jul 24, 2013 12:56:48 GMT -5
That's probably because most oakleys can stop a blast of bird-shot from a 12 gauge. I personally use ESS but that's because I had an issue pair laying around still after my exit from the service.
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Post by deputy865 on Jul 24, 2013 13:56:40 GMT -5
Zagar, unfortunately, most off roading goggles aren't ballistics rated and should not be used for airsoft. I don't think that's an accurate statement. www.smithoptics.com/faq.html/www.oakley.com/customer-care/faqwww.dragonalliance.com/en-us/moto-goggles#global/all/group/nfxI've worn Oakley O Frames the entire time I've played airsoft and they have stopped hundreds of BBs. Think about it. They're supposed to stop rocks from taking out your eyes. I would say the opposite is probably true. There are surely some fly by night companies out there making non-ANSI moto goggles, but it looks like from my research that most of the name brands (excluding Spy Optics) are Z87.1 Rated. What it comes down to is, it's up to the player to find out if it's ANSI rated. If a host asks someone about the rating and they give a "derrr I don't know.." Then throw 'em out or find replacement eyewear. Good info here. I know my riding goggles are Z87.1 Rated... actually came to find out about them randomly. Either way, they work perfect for me. Very comfortable and as long as I'm moving (even walking) they stay fog free. Nice hard, clear and wide lens too!
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Post by Cats (Doom) on Jul 24, 2013 19:44:41 GMT -5
(or God forbid, lab goggles, which are not typically ANSI Z87.1 compliant) I don't normally call someone out on stuff (especially admins) but that claim is completely wrong. Even most of the extremely common cheap-o lab goggles meet or exceed the z87.1 standard. I wouldn't recommend people using them though because they fog and event hosts may not feel comfortable allowing you to use them (and some people just hate how they look). The M ost common lab goggles on the planet. Here's another common set. Yet another very common set of lab goggles. I think that covers many of the lab goggles seen on high school and college campuses. "If they don't leave a mark around your eyes that makes you look like a dweeb they are not good enough!" ~Mycotopia's Laboratory Safety Collaboration
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Post by Novak on Jul 25, 2013 11:37:18 GMT -5
Now don't take this the wrong way, but in some cases, certain shooting glasses do conform to peoples faces closely enough that there is no space for a bb to get through. Is that allowed by inspection only, or not allowed to just keep the complications of the goggle rule to a minimum.
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Jul 25, 2013 11:51:33 GMT -5
Now don't take this the wrong way, but in some cases, certain shooting glasses do conform to peoples faces closely enough that there is no space for a bb to get through. Is that allowed by inspection only, or not allowed to just keep the complications of the goggle rule to a minimum. Sent from my Torque using proboards Not allowed. It will just make things more complicated and people will complain about it or report it constantly.
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Post by Novak on Jul 25, 2013 12:20:18 GMT -5
Would smith optics boogie operator goggles be acceptable since they have a back strap and foam lining around the edges? I'm trying to find something that I can wear with a Boonie hat that's low profile but still fills the requirements.
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Post by Sandbur on Jul 25, 2013 12:32:09 GMT -5
The Smith Optics are kosher. They have foam around the lenses and an elastic strap that can keep them secure to your face.
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