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Post by Dallas on Dec 12, 2011 10:06:52 GMT -5
Some good friends of mine are looking into starting up airsoft. Recently, they came over and asked me to help find some good guns for them. Immediately, I showed them the Combat Machine, of course, and most agreed. One, however, wanted to know if there were any good AUGs out on the market. We looked around, and we found this one: www.evike.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=35819I did warn him about the possible shortage of aftermarket parts, and showed him a few of the good beginners threads, and he did take these things into consideration. I must also admit to having an interest in this, too, as one of the guns I wanted initially was this along side the G36C (Which I now have). Just... AUGs are so hawt.  If any of you have information on this, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks (Mods: I did attempt a search, but the search engine wouldn't accept words under three characters. Thus AUG and ASG were immediately discarded. Just FYI.) |
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Post by twinkie on Dec 12, 2011 11:34:57 GMT -5
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Post by Gunny87 on Dec 12, 2011 11:58:29 GMT -5
I've owned 2 Tokyo Marui Augs, 1 JG Steyr Aug, & 2 Classic Army Augs. I've also owned completely stock ones, and heavily upgraded Augs.
I've also owned both the A1 & A2 variants.
The Aug uses a V3 gearbox which pretty much uses standard V3 internal parts with only one or two exceptions. Because it has a dual stage trigger system, the wiring harness and trigger system is unique on the Aug.
Which with my personal experience I'd rate them over-all as such.
#1 Tokyo Marui Aug - highest quality, reliability, and decent stock performance. Stock TM Aug ABS plastic hop up units work very well. I've owned Augs with the stock hop up and the G&P Aug metal hop up unit and I didn't really notice and difference in performance between the two. The TM Aug has a very decent ROF, and are pretty accurate stock.
As far as CONS go would only be.
1. It's the highest priced Aug compared to the CA, & JG
2. Stock range lacks compared to a JG Aug
The only models you can now find on the market is the Tokyo Marui SR a.k.a Stey Aug A2 or Civilian model, and the newest version of the Steyr Aug Tactical version (sorta like an A3 variant). TM stopped producing the military version or the A1 model back in 2004, and they are very rare to come across.
#2. Classic Army Aug. It has great external quality, stock performance and over-all quality lacks compared to a TM Aug. Over-all the TM Aug has better accuracy, consistency and a ROF, but the difference in performance side to side between a TM and CA Aug isn't really noticeable. The stock wiring of the CA Augs are also questionable, as I had to replace the wiring completely with my last CA Aug.
#3. Echo 1/JG Steyr Aug. I only briefly owned a JG Steyr Aug A2 but the quality over-all seemed to be the least compared to the TM & CA Augs. My JG Steyr Aug, wouldn't feed, and when it did finally feed it was very inconsistent and misfed a lot. The gearbox sounded like it was going to break every time I fired the gun. I wasn't impressed with it.
Now there is the JG Steyr Aug A3 which is much improved over the JG Steyr Aug A2 & A1 models. But I've never owned one so I can't say much about it.
BE Also makes an Aug but it's about as useful as a paper weight.
Anything else you want to know?
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Post by Dallas on Dec 12, 2011 12:37:42 GMT -5
Thanks Gunny, but the TM is out of their price range from what I remember and all the others sound like they eat dirt and would need immediate upgrades.
I would really like info on the specified AUG, though, if you can help me find some. I'll be searching, but two heads are better than one.
If ANYONE knows ANYTHING about the ASG AUG, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by Gunny87 on Dec 12, 2011 12:45:06 GMT -5
Well according to this thread (see post #7) www.airsoftsociety.com/forums/f37/asg-steyr-aug-a2-fake-3576/indicates that the ASG is simply a re-branded Classic Army Aug. And if it's not a re-branded Classic Army Aug then it would most likely be a JG Aug, but from looking at the quality of the externals they do resemble Classic Army externals. |
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Post by Dallas on Dec 12, 2011 13:04:08 GMT -5
Okeydokey then, I'll be sure to tell my friends that.
About how long, do you think, the ASG AUG would last until it would need an upgrade/repair?
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Post by Gunny87 on Dec 12, 2011 13:14:12 GMT -5
Okeydokey then, I'll be sure to tell my friends that. About how long, do you think, the ASG AUG would last until it would need an upgrade/repair? That's really hard to say. If it is in fact a Classic Army Aug, the internals could last years of use. Or the wiring could short, or a piston or the gears may strip after 10,000 rounds. Can't really tell you that. If semi auto is used mostly and full auto is reserved for short bursts and only used as needed it could last a very long time. CA gears I've never experienced any problems with. Was never too impressed with their pistons personally as I've had a couple go out on me after only one or two games, but I tend to be a little trigger happy at times...  |
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Post by Dallas on Dec 12, 2011 13:28:32 GMT -5
Then I guess they should avoid the AUG, since it would go through a lot of trigger abuse and would only live about as long as a goldfish with cancer.
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Post by Gunny87 on Dec 12, 2011 14:03:34 GMT -5
Then I guess they should avoid the AUG, since it would go through a lot of trigger abuse and would only live about as long as a goldfish with cancer. Only if they plan on using the Aug in a SG role. But any AEG will need to be upgraded if all they plan on putting any AEG through that much abuse. I'm not saying that the Aug should be avoided, but the Aug isn't an M249. I really can't tell you much about the ASG Aug, but if it is a re-branded CA Aug then I just mentioned what could potentially go wrong with it. |
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Post by Dallas on Dec 12, 2011 17:42:23 GMT -5
Ah, I see. I'll warn them of that before hand.
Is the Swarovski scope any good? I know it's, basically, an AUG exclusive kind of thing, and most brands have versions with and without them attached. Is it just a gimmick? Can it be replaced if you actually want one with a decent replica? Thanks!
As far as customization goes, who makes good rails for AUGs? I know that people do, but I'm still sorting through all the conflicting and ancient info around here as to which is the best.
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Post by Gunny87 on Dec 12, 2011 18:00:52 GMT -5
Oh you're referring to the A1 (military version) upper receiver. For airsoft it's basically just a fixed 2x scope. The eye relief is really small and with full seal goggles using it is pretty pointless. Honestly when I used my Aug with the A1 upper receiver I just eye-balled my targets. The scope is fixed to the upper receiver so you can't do anything with it and can't be replaced. IMO the A2 railed upper receiver works much better since you can choose whichever optic you want on it.
There's a bunch of different rails you can get for the Aug. But they are all going to run you at least $80 if not more.
Look into either an Action (on Evike) rails for they Steyr Aug which can cost up to $170 with a silencer, or you can get a phantom kit which will provide two rails which you can move from either the bottom or the left and right to mount a bipod and other attachments. There's M203 adapters out there as well. The Aug is really a very versatile gun.
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Post by Tollis on Dec 16, 2011 12:29:56 GMT -5
Also to note for CA aug's, I believe they use a different nozzle and cylinder head and are pretty much proprietary with CA hopups. I remember I had worked on Gunny87's CA one and it had a G&P hopup in it and it didn't shoot at all because of it. Also the same thing with a G36 I am working on. It is a JG that has a CA hopup in it. It doesn't feed at all because of slightly different specifications between them.
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Post by Gunny87 on Dec 16, 2011 12:39:09 GMT -5
Yes Toll is correct, as he pointed out CA AUGS do not like the G&P metal hop up unit for the AUG. I couldn't remember which parts are proprietary which there are only a couple or a few, but those two definitely are some of them.
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Post by arguablycrassic on Dec 16, 2011 15:27:44 GMT -5
The only thing I've noticed that was a drag about my old JG AUG, was the fact that the stock couldn't hold a very large battery pack. It should be negligible if you plan to use a LiPo, and this may not be to the same effect for CA or TM, but on the JG, don't plan on getting anything larger than an 8.4 in there.
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Post by Dallas on Dec 16, 2011 15:28:04 GMT -5
I have another question about AUGs: Does anybody make an AUG PARA or a conversion kit for it? I've searched quite a bit, but any info I've found is old (2006-2007) and says you would have to do it yourself. I was wondering if that may have changed since then. Thanks!
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