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Post by Psychosis on Mar 15, 2008 23:41:24 GMT -5
I've posted some pics in the gallery, feel free to upload to that same thread if you have more.
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Post by Mirage on Mar 15, 2008 23:51:12 GMT -5
ok, first. I want to thanks to everyone who came out. This was my fourth event host (whisper in the wind, silent dawn, eclipse, and winter's fury), and I am willing to admit that this wasnt my best. But before that, the thanks:
Just want to thank crazy rabbit and cover for coming over to the SAS with us. You guys are great guys and im glad that you came over. We worked well together and maneuvered that forest very smoothly, I hope to be shooting shoulder to shoulder with you boys again, I had a blast. Judge, Rouchneck, Hot Carl (Thor), and Crazyman, always a pleasure hanging out with you guys, and im glad I was able to chat with you guys a bit more. The couple new teams that this was their first event, you guys are good, and great honest guys and I cant wait until I get to play with you guys again. Huge thanks goes to Doc's mom, who woke up at 8am just to make 19 pounds of macaroni and cheese, and then get dissed for it (heh). Also, for working out transporting that mass amount of food, it is just greatly appreciated. Cj, amazing field, as you know. I honestly appreciate you being willing to allow me the honor of hosting the first event there, im just sorry I couldnt live up to the hype with a top class event. Striker, always a pleasure playing with you, just a bummer you had to leave a bit early. If I missed anyone, I apologize, and will edit as I remember... just a lot to get to...
so alright, now onto the bad:
I know the event started late, and I was honestly trying to get it started on time. It was just that a large mass of people arrived just before the game was supposed to start, and I was running around and honestly just lost track of time. Complete let down on my part, but I am looking at ways to correct it for the future, so I apologize to you guys for the late start.
Crazy, much appreciated for the honesty. I know you werent bashing me, since I was the main host. I appreciate honest criticism and im glad you didnt sugar coat things. I know I let people down, and again I apologize. This wasnt the best event I hosted, and im honestly bummed for the let down. So no hard feelings there.
Monk... ya, I dont want to blow this out of proportion, but next time dont act like everything is fine and dandy when I am chatting with you for ten minutes before you leave, saying to me to my face that you are having/had a great time, then come home and completely change face.
To the kid who said that he thought the food should have been more organized... I dont know what to say... what isnt organized about making 19 pounds of macaroni and cheese, having most of it delivered hot, cycling hot mac with cold and keeping everyones plates as hot as we could. Then making 22 pounds of chili, to have no one to eat it. What was unorganized about having everyone in a single file line and cycling people through... just doesnt make much sense.
To Lake shore airsoft, I know you guys havent posted, but I am going to try to keep this short and sweet. I have reports of some bad things about you guys, as well as what I saw you guys doing through my own scope... and lets just say that you will be receiving pm's to get everything situated...
To skypilot, im sorry for the miscommunication about everything, which is all I think it was. I appreciate you at least being willing to talk to me about it to my face, but I think you should have approached me earlier with concerns instead of giving a 45 minute talk to Oakey, then giving me a 5-10 minute talk, when I was the one in charge of the Op. Also, I would like to get this settled, whether here or through pm's, so that it can just be settled and done with.
Again, I apologize for the let down for all the hype, but I dont think all was lost. I had a lot of guys come up to me and tell me "Thanks for a great time, I had a blast." Then I had others tell me "what a waste of my time." I tried doing scenarios that people wanted to do, and I accomodated to the needs of people who actually came up to me and told me what they wanted to do. I changed my scenarios because people came up and asked me to shorten the field, so I did. It also makes it harder when people dont listen during the briefing. I had a couple times where I would give a briefing, then people are asking "so wait, what are our objectives again?", even after I asked everyone if they had any questions... but no one raised their hands.
About the kids walking in the road and what not, I was away buying supplies for dinner and wasnt aware of that until after I got back. About the second game being called early, I also dont know why that happened as I was not in the field for that game, instead I was out at the staging area getting everything set up and ready for the next scenarios. So again, I apologize that those had to happen while I was out of the field, and if I was in the field, I would have continued the game.
So all in all, I just want to apologize for letting people down from all of the hype that went in to the event, but I hope that people at least enjoyed themselves while shooting people.
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Post by pjlmaster on Mar 16, 2008 7:34:34 GMT -5
To Lake shore airsoft, I know you guys havent posted, but I am going to try to keep this short and sweet. I have reports of some bad things about you guys, as well as what I saw you guys doing through my own scope... and lets just say that you will be receiving pm's to get everything situated... I've posted in the tread quite a few times already. *points at sig* Anyways, what were these bad things? I'm quite interested. Also, there was chili? When did that happen? edit: i have a feeling you're talking about the respawning at the silo bit, which i already addressed earlier in the thread. For clarification however, we were not respawning AT the silo. We were however defending the silo, as opposed to trying to attack from defense like most of the woodland was, and spreading ourselves too thin. The people standing on the road were mostly lakeshore guys, however they weren't dead and/or had never been shot in the first place, and talking on the road near the objective isnt against the rules is it? |
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Post by Chaseman on Mar 16, 2008 8:08:56 GMT -5
A couple suggestions for the next event.
1.) As the event host, I think you should split up your team and run with the paying player squads, instead of being the SAS ( keep the game moving in the right direction) If you the host where running with the paid players squads. Each side would have many REF's, placed throughout the game. As a REF you still get to play, but your main job is to watch for cheating and address it, Keep the scenario running and the squads working on the objectives.
I believe that might help keep the games more smooth. Sometimes when people get out in the field, they forget about objectives at the 1st fire fight. The Guide could get them right back on track. Once the objectives for that section are complete then radio in the results, reload and move your squad to the next goal in the secnario. or lunch or whatever is the next RIGHT thing to do
The host would be like a Guide/Ref/Player/host. I also think this would be a great way to show new people how to play right and keep an eye on everything. While having a GREAT OP!
I also agree about the food, let people find there own provide maps to place of interest in your area. Lower the cost a bit $15 or 20 would be much easier to take, if you didn't have that much fun that day.
Good luck
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Post by bigc on Mar 16, 2008 8:49:01 GMT -5
Sounds like I missed some fun. My flight didn't get back until Saturday instead of Friday.
If people are whining about you not having a menu at an event(come on guys)then they need to realize they can drive their butts down the road and get something else. On the other hand Mac and cheese is tasty but gets cold fast and takes you a long time to make. I would stick to the easy stuff in the future like burgers and dogs. Chili is always awesome, I can't believe you didn't run out!
I agree with splitting up the host team, it keeps all teams on the right track as far as story line and fairplay.
I look forward to getting to one of your games very soon!
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Post by Mirage on Mar 16, 2008 9:01:50 GMT -5
Im not going to say everything out here in public, but lets just say that im dissapointed in your group, considering I had gone in expecting a different group of guys. Also, in a couple of your posts you say some guy in ACU's shouldnt have been near the road... then you say Lakeshore guys were at the road but thats not against the rules is it?
Chili was announced as the dinner item, as well as dinner being posted here in the thread. a lot of people just left before the chili got there.
About the food in general, if people would have told me that they werent going to be eating the provided food, I would have lowered the price, and had no problem with it. everyone who showed up late after the first game, I gave them a discount because they werent there the whole day, so discounting those who didnt want to eat the provided food wouldnt have been a problem...
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Post by Mosin on Mar 16, 2008 9:31:18 GMT -5
Alright, let me just start out with my gripes first:
To the Lakeshore guys.. I don't understand what you're talking about with the guys in the ACU's being 3 inches away from the road, one of them is an ex-ranger/ex-airborne infantry so I don't see why dishonesty would come from him, but if that wasn't enough.. I, a field mod, was right there. He asked me if he was good and I said yes, because he was about 5 yards away, maybe it was the angle you were looking at them, but they were good.
Secondly, to the boys that were over there, I shot you once or twice every few seconds, everytime you looked back in the direction I shot you, and still continued, then when I came into our spot after you guys capped it, I had the pleasure of getting completely hosed on full auto for (And I counted this) 22 seconds. I'd figure me with my hands down, mag out, in dead open.. Would be a big enough sign that I wasn't a threat anymore, or perhaps the fact that you guys already won and took our spot would be another factor in your judgement, but I suppose not.
To you boys at the Silo, I don't understand what you're talking about with you defending, because I talked personally to Kojak and he had told me that you guys were all dead and waiting for us to rush.
Next topic, to you who said there was downtime in the start:
Like Mirage had stated, we were going to start it exactly at the specified time, however we had a lot of people show up a little bit late, and we would have had to of let about 3/4ths of the total roster play with the 1/4th who were still arriving get geared up and have to walk into firefights and stuff already going down, so we wanted to wait until just about everyone was there so we could get going, there was never a one minute to breifing call, there was a 5 minute warning, and we proceded exactly 5 minutes after by having Blindshot yell "BREIFING UP FRONT".
Downtime is always going to be an issue, however we didn't really have too much after lunch, I doubt that we were not in the field for more than 20 minutes before a next game was already getting going.
Skypilot, I don't understand why there was a misscommunication, I hope there is no spoiled blood between us and I hope that whatever the problem was can be resolved so we can just keep on keepin' on.
But to those who had said that the price was too bad because you didn't eat, all you would have had to do was tell Mirage that you didn't want to eat the food, and we would have not given you an armband and/or marked yours that you were not eating, and your price would have been reduced. But I don't see how that is a problem, considering I counted about 85-90 people in line for the Mac & Cheese, but with majority of the people leaving before chili, we only had about 25-30 guys on that (More for us, eh?)
Now onto the good:
I love this field, and as we stated more will be done to it and a lot of work will be done to cut down the thorns (Hitting the place with weed killer and/or just cutting it down). I thank you all for the constructive critisism, as we are going to work around the clock to address these concerns and make the next event the best we possibly can, please don't let the few bad things discourage you from coming again.
Good day today, I had a pleasure shooting with a lot of you, but a few things were just out of hand; and having people that don't like to call their hits, as well as take off their goggles mid-field doesn't help the atmosphere to the general mix of the day.
-Mosin
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Post by Tex on Mar 16, 2008 10:29:09 GMT -5
\ I think the ignoring the rules from the briefings and walkthrough were just unclear is all. I mean guerrillas only had one spawn on the opposite side of the field, and just to clarify, all the people standing at the silo, were lakeshore people who hadnt been shot that were actually defending the objective. We finally left near the end of the first game to actually get a bit of action. I'm referring to people walking on the road. Not only is it common sense to not walk on a public road with replicas that look like REAL GUNS, but to be flat out told not to walk on it, and then to be told it was "Lava" and to still have people on it... that's just people who are unsafe for the sport of airsoft, and again, I honestly wish I had known who it was so they could be ejected from the OP and maybe learn a lesson. All in all, I forgot a lot of my props, Team Nighthawk, Black Talon, Reaper, Judge, Rough, Carl, Crazyrabbit, Cover, Crazyman, Psychosis... too many to list, thanks for coming and making my day enjoyable. Friendship is really what makes airsoft the most fun for me. And aside for my bum knee I still had a blast shooting eachother and chatting it up the whole day. "Aim higher! You're this close | | !" |
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Post by SkyPilot on Mar 16, 2008 10:34:56 GMT -5
I thought about taking the high road and not posting anything, but frankly Mirage I don't think you get what was said to you by myself, other players, or your team mates. So, I'll post my comments in public. ok, first. I want to thanks to everyone who came out. This was my fourth event host (whisper in the wind, silent dawn, eclipse, and winter's fury), and I am willing to admit that this wasnt my best. But before that, the thanks: so alright, now onto the bad: I know the event started late, and I was honestly trying to get it started on time. It was just that a large mass of people arrived just before the game was supposed to start, and I was running around and honestly just lost track of time. Complete let down on my part, but I am looking at ways to correct it for the future, so I apologize to you guys for the late start. Being honest here, as you said this WAS YOUR FOURTH EVENT. The first or second event, I can see major hi-ups. Starting late, not having paper work in order, dis-organization, etc. However this was your fourth event! I would think by now you understand what's involved with hosting a event. Not only have your hosted past events but also your team members have experience hosting games. And you can tap that experience. So, in my book there was no excuse for this event being ran lousy. The event in fact was a disaster! Monk... ya, I don't want to blow this out of proportion, but next time don't act like everything is fine and dandy when I am chatting with you for ten minutes before you leave, saying to me to my face that you are having/had a great time, then come home and completely change face. Next, I think you need to realize whom your dealing with. Firstly a kid who doesn't have the experience or perhaps feels intimated by saying something in person to Doc or yourself. To the kid who said that he thought the food should have been more organized... I don't know what to say... what isn't organized about making 19 pounds of macaroni and cheese, having most of it delivered hot, cycling hot mac with cold and keeping everyones plates as hot as we could. Then making 22 pounds of chili, to have no one to eat it. What was unorganized about having everyone in a single file line and cycling people through... just doesn't make much sense. If you can't take the criticism, then get out of the kitchen! I think you need to stop being defensive and think about what could have been better. Some things people just won't tell you how to improve, so you need to figure it out. To skypilot, im sorry for the miscommunication about everything, which is all I think it was. I appreciate you at least being willing to talk to me about it to my face, but I think you should have approached me earlier with concerns instead of giving a 45 minute talk to Oakey, then giving me a 5-10 minute talk, when I was the one in charge of the Op. Also, I would like to get this settled, whether here or through pm's, so that it can just be settled and done with. Firstly without details (which can be discussed in PM's), there was no miscommunication from what I say. Two of your team members were there when I walked up, and it was an understanding. What happened later is what I consider reneging on what your other team members agreed too. Mirage, As I said. If I could have found you I would have talked to you directly, however you couldn't be found. The 5-10 minute talk to you was simple... I already expressed my concerns to your teammate, and your attitude in return considering what I was saying wasn't a welcoming response to constructive criticism. A simple unexpressable cold "I'm sorry" doesn't cut it. Besides why should I express everything again to YOU when I expressed my concerns to your teammate??? And correct my if I'm wrong here, but I believe the original posting was Operation: Winters Fury, Hosted by Team RAGE. Not hosted by Mirage. It seems clear that there wasn't only a mis-communication with me, but perhaps with your team mates as well. It's either your team doesn't know who to communicate with each other, or someone doesn't want to listen. And as a result, your event was a failure. About the kids walking in the road and what not, I was away buying supplies for dinner and wasnt aware of that until after I got back. About the second game being called early, I also don't know why that happened as I was not in the field for that game, instead I was out at the staging area getting everything set up and ready for the next scenarios. So again, I apologize that those had to happen while I was out of the field, and if I was in the field, I would have continued the game. Mirage, I really don't think you get it. Hosted by Team Rage. The question is... Where were your team mates to organize this??? Finally. I was very disappointed at the fact I drove more than 5 hours to and from the event. Only to play about 3 hours of airsoft and spent nearly $100 total. This wasn't the first disastrous event, and perhaps won't be the last. I felt like I wasted my time and money attending this event and I'm sorry to say I don't think I'll be attending another game anytime soon. Scale 1 to 10: this event scored a 2. |
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Post by X on Mar 16, 2008 10:51:38 GMT -5
Who took this picture of me!  ? Its the best one I got!!!! That would be me. I need that picture In full resolution please, you can PM me you're email. I'll be posting the rest of my pictures momentarily. The mac & cheese was good, I'm not dissing the mac. It just wasn't enough I went into town and still finished a 12" sub. At OP Aurora I had the same problem it was like getting rations both days, my girlfriend who just took pictures was still hungry and shes not a 200 lb man running around in tac gear all day. I didn't know about lowering the price until after lunch I think next time to solve this problem, when you make the first post with all the game details and prices you should list off prices.... well here's an example. Full game & food: $25 Full game no food: $15 Half day W/ one meal: $15 Half day no food: $10 I kinda guessed on the prices but, you see what I'm getting at. I appreciate all the effort that went into the food but I think it's just not possible to feed so many people and satisfy everyone. I think it's probably just better off having people fend for themselves. |
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Post by tomhanks1124 on Mar 16, 2008 10:53:53 GMT -5
To Lake shore airsoft, I know you guys havent posted, but I am going to try to keep this short and sweet. I have reports of some bad things about you guys, as well as what I saw you guys doing through my own scope... and lets just say that you will be receiving pm's to get everything situated... . I'd like to hear it flat out...... |
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Post by SkyPilot on Mar 16, 2008 11:45:57 GMT -5
Oh btw. For the price we were paying, I would think some Port-a-Johns could be rented.
The trees just don't cut it. Besides if you haven't noticed, there are women playing this sport too!
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Post by LT.Monk on Mar 16, 2008 12:12:30 GMT -5
Monk... ya, I dont want to blow this out of proportion, but next time dont act like everything is fine and dandy when I am chatting with you for ten minutes before you leave, saying to me to my face that you are having/had a great time, then come home and completely change face. I just didn't want to be rude. I never remember saying I had a good time. Maybe a good time talking to people, but not a good time playing airsoft. I admit I could have said something, but I was so pissed after the second game I probably would have blow up in your face, and I didn't wanna do that. So I figured I'd just give some constructive criticism on the forum. Sorry if it came off as a change of faces, but I didn't want to look like a complete asshole, and believe me, I was about to fly off the handle. Just needed to cool off...  |
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Post by pjlmaster on Mar 16, 2008 12:26:59 GMT -5
Alright, let me just start out with my gripes first: To the Lakeshore guys.. I don't understand what you're talking about with the guys in the ACU's being 3 inches away from the road, one of them is an ex-ranger/ex-airborne infantry so I don't see why dishonesty would come from him, but if that wasn't enough.. I, a field mod, was right there. He asked me if he was good and I said yes, because he was about 5 yards away, maybe it was the angle you were looking at them, but they were good. Secondly, to the boys that were over there, I shot you once or twice every few seconds, everytime you looked back in the direction I shot you, and still continued, then when I came into our spot after you guys capped it, I had the pleasure of getting completely hosed on full auto for (And I counted this) 22 seconds. I'd figure me with my hands down, mag out, in dead open.. Would be a big enough sign that I wasn't a threat anymore, or perhaps the fact that you guys already won and took our spot would be another factor in your judgement, but I suppose not. To you boys at the Silo, I don't understand what you're talking about with you defending, because I talked personally to Kojak and he had told me that you guys were all dead and waiting for us to rush. No offense, but you must not have been right there, because when i walked within 10 yards of the road on the edge of the treeline and looked out, he was crouching on the side of the road, theres NO disputing it, AND kojak got it on his helmet cam, when i looked out the second time, he was prone with his shoulder almost on the side of the pavement trying to shoot at me, before i walked back into the woods. His being an ex-ranger has NOTHING to do with anything here, and he didnt look old enough to even be a ranger, but he was about 30 yards down the road so i didnt get a good look at him, otherwise i would've thrown him right under the bus as soon as we walked out. As for kojak stating we were dead, again, just no. We waited at the silo for a good 30 minutes before finally pushing out with the rest of our team, (a group of 5 at first followed eventually by the rest of the defenders), once kojak got to my position he started shooting and hitting guys who werent calling their shots, got hit himself, put his kill rag on, called for a medic (me), i ran up to him, did my 60 count while not firing or taking my hand off of him, then you guys had a pretty great push going before someone called it because they thought we were respawning there. Kojak DID get shot once, and called his hit, but as i said, i revived him, then we fell back to the objective again. For the hosing for 22 seconds bit, it couldnt have been me, i was looking for Mrs. Kojaks camera lens cover and then my cocking lever for the most part after the guy on the road bit. Then everyone just kinda walked out of the field. I know my gun got hit quite a few times, and i caught a couple bounces, but i didnt get hit at all yesterday, or at least i didnt feel any of the hits that i may have gotten hit with. edit: i thought it was nice having the food, but for people who cant read the forums all the time, it might be nice to say (during the first briefing) what there will be to eat, and maybe when depending on the events structuring. As for pricing, wouldnt it be just a huge pain in the ass for them to have to keep track of who paid how much to get food and who didnt? Im sure it could be done w/ armbands pretty easily, but it seems like quite a bit of extra hassle too. |
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Post by tomhanks1124 on Mar 16, 2008 12:44:07 GMT -5
The players in woodland that where fall'n back where fall'n back because they needed to reload. The silo was what we where defending. What better place to fall back to...... And remember in the 2nd game, the woodland guys still had a 2nd respawn that never got in to a fire fight. Even though their 1st respawn was surrounded, not taken control of. The other team sent a player out to ask us if they could have the game because if they took the 1st respawn, we would respawn at the 2nd respawn and it would be impossible to take. There for calling it a pity win.
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