Win Gun

[a1 (Babez)]

Hey everyone,

I'm in the market for Co2 pistols. I've been browsing and have come across some Co2 pistols that are relavant to my interests. I am leaning towards Co2 for various reasons.

I found a Win Gun "Special 1911" co2 non blow-back. It looks beuatiful, and I want to know if anyone on here has had experiance with such replica, or similiar replicas like the G&G Extreme 45 which I am also considering, but don't have the budget for.

NOTE I understand that Co2 replicas shoot abnormally hot for an airsoft gun, but I am not planning on using it for anything more than a fielding sidearm. I have multiple reasons why I want a Co2 pistol, so if anyone wants to convince me otherwise to get a Green Gas replica, or rant with anger about it, please do not.

[Dev]

A word of advice: get a NBB Co2 pistol. There is a reason even some reenforced GBB pistols break: because the Co2 is such a powerful gas that is can easily crack the frame of the pistol's GB or slide.

-Dan

[a1 (Babez)]

True, but then again the Blow Back power on the G&G xtreme 45. is not very powerful at all. The slide never makes a full cycle, as it is not designed to. I can see what you mean, though. I've been thinking about Green gas or Propane pistols, but the constant maintainance and supposivly baby care to the pistol just isn't what I had in mind of a side arm... Not to mention, I've heard of GBB pistols breaking down more often.

Heres the link to the WG 1911:

www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_45_238&products_id=31807

[Knief]

You don't have to perform any more maintenance on a propane powered GBB than you do on a CO2 powered GBB. Just like you don't have to clean a propane powered NBB any more than you do a CO2 powered NBB. The difference isn't the type of gas, it's the action. The more moving parts something has, the more maintenance you're going to have to do on it.

But whoever told you that GBBs require constant maintenance probably owned some shitty GBBs. A good GBB, like a TM or KSC, will run just fine for a long time without problems, even with sparse care. During the summer when I'm using my guns a lot, I wouldn't say that I clean my GBBs any more than once a month, if that. You don't have to clean them after every game, unless you're constantly throwing them in the dirt. You can beat a good GBB around quite a bit. They're no more fragile than you average AEG. Hell, during a shooting competition, I saw a guy throw his GBB at his last target when he ran out of ammo. Then he picked it up, loaded it up, and used it for the rest of the day.

I can promise you this, though. A quality GBB will last a hell of a lot longer than a no-name brand CO2 pistol.

[a1 (Babez)]

I was just wondering about the WinGun brand, just so I don't end up with a non-lasting no name brand. Maybe I'll buy one for the Hell of it and then make a review. Thanks though, kneif. I understand that GBB can be durable, but I've only read that GBB (propane/green gas) takes quite a bit of maintainence from a thread created by one of our members, all about gas pistols. (I'll dig the thread up later). I beleived that what he said was true, because he was a respected MiA member, and I know he is an avid GBB collector (I'm pretty sure it was Miles.)

But I totally agree. I would have to clean one more because I am constantly rolling around in the dirt during games, I have nothing else to say.

[Knief]

Miles wrote the guide, it's the thread below this one.

He's slightly overstated the need for maintenance in a GBB in his guide, but more importantly, you've read into it way too much. They're finicky, but not impossible. Believe me, I've owned a couple dozen of them, many of which I've had and kept operational for years. There's nothing particularly challenging or demanding about maintaining GBBs, and there is absolutely no difference between maintaining a propane powered gun and a CO2 powered gun.

Yes, they take a little more work than an AEG, but that's because as long as your AEG is functioning properly, you never have to do anything to it, aside from clean the barrel every now and then. But GBBs aren't hard to take care of.

If you think that getting a CO2 powered GBB will be easier than a propane powered GBB, you're sadly mistaken.

[Kiki]

More work than an AEG? Pfft, hell no. The only GBB I've ever gave up on was an old, beat up, used KWA G19. I got paintball paint and other shit in the slide and things just started going wrong. However, besides that, I've never had an issue with any other GBB pistols that I haven't been able to easily fix. Honestly, I think GBB pistols are generally easier to work on than AEG's since they're pretty quick to takedown and they have less little parts. Just pop off the slide and you can access pretty much everything. Sure, trigger parts are harder to fix since they require more removal of parts (basically taking apart the frame), but you don't usually run into issues with those parts.

Essentially what I'm trying to say is that a GBB pistol (GG/propane) really isn't that much work/maintenance.

[a1 (Babez)]

Okay thanks guys, I understand now. I was just mislead to beleive that.

Now, back onto my real concern, what do you guys think about Co2 pisolts? Have any of you had any experiance with any types of models? What would you reccomend as a decent Co2 pistol? I'm still curious as to this ghost brand "WinGun", and also curious as to the G&G's Co2 blowback Xtreme .45.

[Knief]

I would recommend against any CO2 pistols. I've seen a few that were decent, but really, none are up the quality of the mid-range green gas/propane pistols available. By-and-large they're cheaply constructed, shoot too hot, shoot too inaccurately, look pretty bad, and won't last you nearly as long as a TM/KSC/KJW/KWA/etc. pistol will.

Buying a CO2 pistol is like buying a Walmart AEG. They look sorta the same, but really don't measure up.

[thimolas]

Hey man,
So i to was wondering what the win guns where. My freind was telling me about someone he knew that had one. So i went to an airsoft event and sadly my Tokyo mauri broke (dont ask how) and i was forced to use a spring shotgun against autos. during the game one of the guys threw me his gas pistol (the wingun 321) and Let me tell you that thing shoots EXTREMLY well. the power on it was amazing and it was made of compleate metal. i shot at about 510 fps with .2 gram bbs in the chrono meter that we had.
Now there was one thing the clip is part of the gun and DOESNT come out. it holds about 12 bbs. also the co2 lasts for around 50-60 shots before it starts to go down in power. besides from that the gun is amazing! I loved it and im going to go find one to buy. and for 55 bucks? it just cant be beat.
P.S also during the 7 rounds that we had i was able to score 4 kills. ( which is really good since they all had autos and snipers and a 2 shot kill)

so thats what i think have fun!

[a1 (Babez)]

Thanks Thimolas for reviving the thread, thats the kind of answer I was anticipating. This thread was dead, but I appreciate your input. Still planning on getting my hands on one for teh lulz just to see how it preforms in the field.

I'd like to thank everyone for their input. I was wrong about the Gas BlowBacks being a pain to maintain, but I just have a stronger interest in Co2. I used one at an outdoor game, and I love them ever since.

[Fubar65]

Apr 19, 2010 13:34:45 GMT -5 thimolas said:

Hey man,
So i to was wondering what the win guns where. My freind was telling me about someone he knew that had one. So i went to an airsoft event and sadly my Tokyo mauri broke (dont ask how) and i was forced to use a spring shotgun against autos. during the game one of the guys threw me his gas pistol (the wingun 321) and Let me tell you that thing shoots EXTREMLY well. the power on it was amazing and it was made of compleate metal. i shot at about 510 fps with .2 gram bbs in the chrono meter that we had.
Now there was one thing the clip is part of the gun and DOESNT come out. it holds about 12 bbs. also the co2 lasts for around 50-60 shots before it starts to go down in power. besides from that the gun is amazing! I loved it and im going to go find one to buy. and for 55 bucks? it just cant be beat.
P.S also during the 7 rounds that we had i was able to score 4 kills. ( which is really good since they all had autos and snipers and a 2 shot kill)

so thats what i think have fun!

510 FPS is way too hot for any type of handgun. You won't be able to use it at any airsoft field which makes the pistol an utter waste.

[BoredKender]

Not true as most handguns are semi-auto only. You will not be able to use it within 50', thus making it fairly useless from a practical standpoint, but still fully CAPABLE of it.

[a1 (Babez)]

I'm sure it doesn't shoot at 510... Not sure even most paintball markers can reach up that high consistantly. Heavier bb's would be much more practical too.

Listen, guys, I know co2 and Airsoft don't quite mix. I'm still looking for a sidearm. Preferrably a co2, but in the long run a gas blow back may be the better choice. I'll keep on looking.

[Fubar65]

Apr 22, 2010 13:30:51 GMT -5 BoredKender said:

Not true as most handguns are semi-auto only. You will not be able to use it within 50', thus making it fairly useless from a practical standpoint, but still fully CAPABLE of it.

Sorry, didn't know you guys only had a 50 foot engagement distance for 500 fps. Here in CA, it is 100 feet minimum, and making a handgun shot at 100 feet and beyond is fairly unreasonable.