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Post by Newman on Aug 24, 2002 19:34:14 GMT -5
This contains an image of my leg after being shot by a high-powered Airsoft replica. If you don't like *somewhat* graphic images, DON'T look. Now here are my thoughts, and I DON'T care if you don't like them, I feel like I am allowed to voice them after this. Any gun powered over 360 FPS is too much to use in anything closer than 30 feet. Some people who use the highly upgraded guns can attest to this fact, and they stay way beyond this distance with their guns. Some people, on the other hand, can innocently not know how much damage their high-powered guns deal, and go way too close to other people and shoot them. That's exactly what happened today. An unnamed person shot me from a distance that is just STUPID for a highly upgraded gun. I do NOT think that person is wrong in upgrading their gun, but because they never used a high-powered Airsoft gun before I got three bloody (blood went through my pants) welts. I don't hold anything against them, because they just haven't seen how bad it can be when hit at a close range with one of those guns... That being said, to all who were at the game today, the reason it seems strange that you only saw one welt on my leg is because I didn't pull the pantleg up enough...and I wish I could have showed you guys just how bad it is in real life. In my opinion, though, I'm glad I wasn't hit in the mouth, because those high-powered bbs would have shredded my mouthguard/retainer apart, and most definitely would have knocked out some teeth. If you don't like reading, here's the simple version: I don't want to be shot like this again.
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Post by Viking on Aug 24, 2002 19:55:25 GMT -5
The next time the unnamed person clearly present surrender to you accept Newman. The unnamed person knew that it would hurt, that is why the unnamed person shot you in the leg and not the face, chest, or arm. The next time the unnamed person says “Newman I’m going full auto, leave if you want to live.” Then leave, don’t say no and get shot.
The unnamed person clearly gave you two chances to leave. You did not. So do not complain, yes your right, upgrade guns can do some damage, but your just as in fault as the unnamed person when you knew who he was, what gun he had, and still, said no. So don’t give the unnamed person any of that crapola.
I am sure everyone at the skirmish heard the unnamed person give you two chances to walk away. Grr the unnamed person knew you would do this, and all you said to the unnamed person at the event was “I am not complaining” looks like it to me. Next time the unnamed person gives you a chance to leave because he fears for your health then do so.
But Newman is right, upgraded guns can and will do damage to flesh… and green gas bottles as observered earlier tonight *winks at bigmack*
-V I K I N G SEMTEX Operative[/color]
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Post by Newman on Aug 24, 2002 19:58:07 GMT -5
The "unnamed" person said that he was going full-auto, that's all. It's true, I could have surrendered, just how would I know what gun that person was using? The "unnamed" person has two full-auto guns at their disposal. (edit: I must add that I didn't know which gun had shot me until after the game) I'll gladly leave if I have to deal with that kind of playing ever again, simply put.
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Post by Viking on Aug 24, 2002 20:07:46 GMT -5
That bull Newman, you knew what weapon the unnamed person was using, don’t try to pull that crap out of the hat. I was hoping both would learn a lesson here. The unnamed person: Needs a sidearm and to just be killed rather then kill when in that range. And Newman - if someone offers a chance out of a situation its prolly a good idea to take it. And you wrong the unnamed person said: “Newman I am going full auto.” Followed by “Newman leave if you want to live.” The unnamed person was with two other comrades within touching distance when he said it, I am sure they would testify as would anyone else who heard it. I think after today my fields will have some defiant rule changes. For one, implantation of range rules. Also, the inability to decline surrender.
-V I K I N G SEMTEX Operative[/color]
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Post by Knief on Aug 24, 2002 20:12:59 GMT -5
engagement rules would be a good idea.
Honestly, i only heard the unnamed person say that you were on full auto, i didn't hear the other part, but i was way up the hill at that point, pretty far away from Newman and the unnamed person.
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Robo
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Post by Robo on Aug 24, 2002 20:30:24 GMT -5
i heard both options [sounded to me like suggestions] the unnamed person gave, and newman i had no doubt in my mind that you clearly knew the unnamed person was using his upgraded *cough* i think that if you dont want to get hit with an upgraded gun, or any gun, at that range you should surrender. i may have seen it your way newman, but i dont since i specifically remember you decling an offer of surrendor.
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Post by Viking on Aug 24, 2002 20:40:02 GMT -5
Oy Vie, the unnamed person does take full responsibility for the action. Don’t think he is trying to talk his way out of it. The shot was to close (aprox 10 feet), I would not say inexperience with such a weapon is the case however; he does know the full capability of his weapon. It was pure stupidity. But the unnamed person does not find it very fair when Newman calls this person out in a public forum when his story is not exactly accurate.
This does bother the unnamed person, and makes the unnmaed person not care much for Newmans character.
The shot was too close. This was going threw his head at the time. Offering surrender was purely for the targets safety. However, at the time after assaulting fortified positions with the objective to over take installation the unnamed person wasn’t going to let a stubborn enemy unit stand in his way. The unnamed person believe that he may be playing on another level of airsoft then some other people at the time. He will try to correct this in the future and realizes that this isn’t the same old bunch from Arizona.
Going threw the thought process upon getting to the location in question. The unnamed person successfully gets to the pint with his team after taking down a few enemy units. Adrenaline was high and the team was under fire. Newman on the other side of the installation was the only thing keeping the team from taking the installation. Knowing his gun was to powerful and remembering an incident which occurred a week before the unnamed offered a surrender, in a role-playing voice, which obviously may not of been taken in the same state of mind. Declined the unnamed wasn’t going to go around the installation and shot the subject form an even closer range. As luck would have it the subject’s knee was spotted threw a small opening as if it were a sign from the airsoft gods. Taking the opportunity while he had it he took aim and fired two shots, no “hit was confirmed” until the third shot, hence the three welts.
Now with time to reflect the unnamed person realizes he had more then one option. He could of gotten the attention of one of his near by teammates, Hado or Robo and pointed out the spot. Or another choice would have been to just let the subject kill him, though against what the unnamed stands for. Or the unnamed could of asked again for his surrender.
The unnamed realizes his mistakes and hopes to improve on his game for future games.
Now, as for Newman. When the unnamed was coming up tot eh installation the unnamed recalls Newman standing up firing his *upgraded* M4 full auto at target: Robo. Robo was on the other side of the installation ducking down. Newmans intent was for a kill. Newman and Robo where in the same exact range that the current incident in question was. Newman, I ask you this, if you would of gotten he kill placing three to four bbs in Robo’s head at the range would this be any different? You are most likely going to say something to the effect that your gun isn’t a “high powered” airsoft rifle, nonetheless it is upgraded and even at that stock guns at the range is still dangerous. And the fact that it would of hit his head is horrifying. Why did I bring that up? Because you act too innocent in the whole matter Newman. We area very young airsoft club, and we have much learning ahead of us. We should be taking unfortunate accidents like these as learning material to improve on our rules and our state of mind at our games, not to point fingers. I have never played with range rules, don’t like the idea to much, and sense the level of playing in this club is different then mine in AZ then I see no course of action better then to set up strict rules, with harsh punishments. Will the rules work right away? Most likely not, we are a very young club like I said, and we will need to adjust as we play, ASO a long time club has had the chance to establish such a club, don’t expect ours to fall out of the sky.
-V I K I N G SEMTEX Operative[/color]
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Post by Bigmack on Aug 24, 2002 20:51:53 GMT -5
bling bling on ebay.
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Post by Newman on Aug 24, 2002 22:55:15 GMT -5
Hey, whatever, Viking. I'm talking no b.s. at ALL when I say I had no idea which gun you were using. Also, I did NOT hear you ask for a surrender, all I heard was that you were using full auto, hence the reason why I didn't surrender.
Yes, Viking, I don't think that a 343 FPS shooting M4 is as powerful as whatever the suspected gun was shooting (M120 powered), and therefore don't think it was safe *after getting hit by it*. Like I said at the game, I wasn't mad at the unnamed person (jeezes it's Viking if you haven't fricking noticed) and still am not mad at them, if you can believe it. I'm mad at the stupid thing that they did, or maybe because they didn't yell out loud enough for me to surrender (or any reason to), or maybe because of the adrenaline rush of it all.
Robo was shooting full-auto, you were shooting full-auto, Eddie was shooting full-auto, I was shooting full-auto, all at each other less than 10 feet away. Did I think there would be much damage at 10 feet from my gun? No, I didn't, except for a small welt if even that (nothing if there's slack from clothes, etc.). Did you think of hurting somebody? While everyone is shooting full-auto at each other at a 10 feet and missing, you say you are shooting full-auto, and then (unbeknownst to me) ask me to surrender, but give no reason. Incredulous! Why would I surrender if I didn't have a reason to? If Robo just surrendered after I started shooting at him because he knows that I have one full-auto gun and only one full-auto gun, and it's upgraded, then it would be a completely different story! You have two full-auto guns and one is upgraded, one isn't; how am I supposed to know, especially when you're ten feet away, behind a pallet, and I haven't even seen you yet.
I can't live with it when you tell me, "The shot was to close (aprox 10 feet), I would not say inexperience with such a weapon is the case however; he does know the full capability of his weapon. " That makes me sick, you knew that you could hurt somebody this bad up close, say that I knew which gun you were using, challenge my "character", and then say "...the unnamed person does not find it very fair when Newman calls this person out in a public forum when his story is not exactly accurate. " That's why I used "unnamed", didn't state the gun, which game it was, what is was powered by, etc.
I find it great that you finally want to have distance rules, that's fine, but what would have been better is that you would have listened to Bigmack or Frostee (only other people with hi-end upgraded guns) who have said many times that they don't want to hit people up close (especially Bigmack), and if you did and disregarded it, may God have pity on your soul. (kinda funny, hehe)
There ends my dang rant, my leg is bruised and my character is supposedly challenged over something that could have just been avoided by having you apologize immediately for "hurting" me after finding out what happened instead of challenging me over what I heard and didn't hear and what I saw and didn't see.
Maybe this whole thing can get cleared up, I don't know, because nobody supports my position at all.
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Robo
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Post by Robo on Aug 24, 2002 23:04:31 GMT -5
newman, you are not hurt "that bad". its a few little welts that will be gone in a week or so. im sure you know this already [although it doesnt seem like it] but playing airsoft in general, upgraded gun or not, can hurt people way worse than a couple of welts.
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Post by Newman on Aug 24, 2002 23:08:06 GMT -5
I'm not playing Airsoft to get welts (or hurt), if you want me to say it that way. Maybe that's why I'm "playing on another level of airsoft."
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Post by Tommlux9 on Aug 24, 2002 23:30:27 GMT -5
I agree with robo. Me and omaga sniper have bi-weekly pistol fights using green gas in my back yard (roughly 15ftx20ft.) Most hits are made within 10ft from behind lawn chairs stacked up on there sides. the only place that we get hit is in the sholders, arms, and head... and i concider this to be the funnest part of my day
but i am also the sick bastard who after getting a new airsoft gun shoots myself and friends point blank to determine FPS ;D
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Post by Newman on Aug 24, 2002 23:33:35 GMT -5
Are you guns shooting 400+ FPS, Tommlux?
I hope Omega's Tac Master didn't pull a Digicon...I have nothing else to say..
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Post by Tommlux9 on Aug 24, 2002 23:34:32 GMT -5
hehe what was it the TMP
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Post by Newman on Aug 24, 2002 23:36:31 GMT -5
It was his AK with an M120 (400+FPS).
Stating the facts for the guy who didn't know what happened, guys.
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