anyone hear about a new law for us michiganders?

[BurningHate]

my step dad was telling me he heard they are trying to pass a law that airsoft guns would be considered real (leathal) weapons and poeple could get prison time for playing with them. i dont beleive him because many of u guys(myself included) play airsoft and i dont think the police would arrest me for playing. of cource if i didnt have my orange on tip, im sure they would stop me....BUT that is if im stupid enough to play w/o tip on in sight of a road =)

[leader98]

No I havent heard about the rule and if that is true it is dumb as s***!!!!!I mean I can understand if the gun has no orange but c'mon if you see a whole bunch of guys shooting at each other(airsoft)with replicas I hope they would be smart enough to figure it out and if that is no the case then they should not be police officers.






-Leader98

[xaos]

Not having orange on your gun's tip won't get you in any (more) trouble, so long as you're intelligent about dealing with a potential situation.

[Jacko]

There was one court case in Washtenaw county where airsoft guns were deemed firearms because the accused was a door knob idiot. If your Dad could point me to an article saying that it's being made into law, I'd be very interested in seeing it.

[HotelSixActual]

I think it is up to us airsofters to defend our sport against potential laws like this. Unfortunetly most of us are not legal for voting but in 9 short months il be out there trying to make a difference with my vote, its this kinda voting that is effective and works, unlike voting for president and the like.

[bobalis]

I think your step-father is misinformed.

Also Hotel your comment about voting for president isn't quite true. What if everyone else thought that their vote wouldn't change anything, so they don't vote. Then there wouldn't be any votes in now would there.

[HotelSixActual]

Technicaly your vote doesnt count Bobalis. If a state votes 100% democratic and the members of the electoral collage for your state decide that all of the voters are miss informed dumb fucks they can use all of their votes to vote republican, and theres nothing anyone can do about it really.

[21CA-Iceman]

As most of you know I am involved with politics quite heavy. I am the campaign manager for a candidate who is running in ottawa county. I also own an airsoft store in grand haven. I follow the laws quite closely pertaining to airsoft. I do not or have not heard of any new laws pertianing to airsoft. I will check with Lansing though and see what I can find out.

Bill

[Snip]

Very rarely will the electoral collage go against the publics popular vote. It has only happened a few times in our past. So YES your vote does matter.

[bobalis]

Only 2 times in the history of the United States did a person win the popular vote and not get elected President.

[Munin]

There's a difference between winning the popular vote and the electoral vote, but it really only pertains to the national level. The reason for this is that in some states the race might be very close, but in others it might be a landslide. Yet since each state (with the exception of only two or three in the union) contribute all of their votes to the winner, it doesn't matter if you win a state by one vote or a million.

Example. State A has a population of 10,000, state B has a population of 10,000, and state C has a population of 12,000. All have 3 electoral votes.

Votes for candidate X and Y break down in states A, B, and C as follows:

----X----Y
A: 6000 4000
B: 6000 4000
C: 2000 10000

So Candidate X has garnered a total of 14,000 votes, while Candidate Y has gotten 18,000 votes. But Candidate X has won the election in two states, and this gets 6 electoral votes. Candidate Y has only won 1 state, and thus only gets 3 electoral votes. So on the whole, more people voted for Candidate Y, but more states voted for Candidate X.

Since we are a federal republic, a union of states, not a true democracy, the electoral college exists to give small, unpopulated states a voice that's not completely drowned out by the three most populous states in the union. It is a "Good Idea^TM," and complaining about it typically shows how little one understands about how American government works.

[leader98]

getting off topic

[21CA-Iceman]

I did some checking on this new law and think that this is where it may have started. Rumor has it that California is in the process or has just passed a law placing airsoft 6mm and 8mm in the BB gun category for description by state law. I understand from Senater Van Workem office that michigan does not at this time have any laws directly related to airsoft and there description. They can not be sold to minors, if used in a crime they will be considered a real firearm and felony charges will apply, ie assult with a deadly weapon, ect. ect. Some of the major cities across the US including Detroit have bans or limits with in city limits on airsoft and there play in open public areas with in these limits. Although I have not found any section of the law to support this, that is the jist of what I am hearing. Take it for what it is worth.

I am guessing the rumor got started from the California BB/airsoft deal.

[SPECter]

good 2 know bill, thanks for finding that out, it was starting to frighten me, i would hate to not be able 2 play AIrsoft