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Post by Toothbrush on Nov 25, 2003 12:52:40 GMT -5
I am thinking of buying the new WA 1911a1 SCW. But the sites that i look at say it can only take 134a. But i have read on many other sites {like AP} that WA guns can take green gas without any trouble. I just want to know if anyone here has used green gas in their WA GBBs, and the result.
I e-mail redwolf to conferm and will be e-mailing WGC
but any help would be great
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Post by Jacko on Nov 25, 2003 13:45:18 GMT -5
Yep, used it in the Beretta this last weekend. Worked great.
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Post by luke213 on Nov 25, 2003 14:45:27 GMT -5
But also be aware that you could have serious issues. There was a picture of a Brand new infinity series 5in. on ASP before the hack, the guy blew the end of the slide out with Green gas on the first mag of gas. So I guess keep in mind some people will run for a long time with no trouble but some people's luck is for shit in that department:)
Luke
P.S. 134a is usually fine in the WA's that I've used as the gas system is more efficient, not requiring the extra snort of Green Gas. But thats just my opinion.
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Post by Bigmack on Nov 25, 2003 19:08:53 GMT -5
WA are designed to use 134a well. you will get green gas performance (ie: FPS) out of it by just using 134a.
BUUUT... if you use Green gas... you will get much better performance. i believe my P14 fires in the 360 range with green gas on a warm day.
also... it does add a bit of realism. The recoil of my P14 is around that of a real steel 9mm Beretta when using Green gas.
that just adds to the Uber leetness.
be advised... you will put more stress on your slide by using Green gas over 134a. Slide self destuction is not uncommon.
I have, however, fired over 1500 rounds through my P14 without any problems.
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Post by Toothbrush on Nov 26, 2003 9:01:52 GMT -5
Thanks you guys. I got my e-mail from redwolf and they said green gas was ok to use in the new 1911. And my friend has the original and uses green gas so i figure why not in the new one too.
Another question though, would you guys see any trouble with using half and half of 134a and green gas?
Once again thank you
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Post by luke213 on Nov 26, 2003 9:32:22 GMT -5
Half and half should work fine, I've never tried it myself but I've seen many reports of no problems. Personally though I would just run 134a since you get good performance and no worries about blowing your slide up. You may never have problems with it but you could, and for referance never trust a retailer:) Especially when it comes to wether or not gas will blowup your gun:)
Luke
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Post by Toothbrush on Nov 26, 2003 11:05:31 GMT -5
Once agian thank you. The main reason i want to use green gas though is that it is cheeper and more availible {sp}. I thought of the half & half as mabye a midpoint, but i think i will start with 134a if i am getting = performnce. and as stated above redwolf did say green gas would be fine in the new 1911, still waiting to hear from WGC though, you know a second opinion
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Post by xaos on Nov 26, 2003 11:48:30 GMT -5
Please note that RedWolf is notorious for saying "Yeah! That'll work great!" in regards to things that can lead to rapid self-destruction of your expensive replica.
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Post by Jacko on Nov 26, 2003 12:22:53 GMT -5
...Mainly because they think you'll then buy repair parts from them...
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Post by Toothbrush on Nov 26, 2003 12:34:55 GMT -5
I see, well thank you. Another good reason for waiting for WGC to respond
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Post by luke213 on Nov 26, 2003 12:44:45 GMT -5
I still stand by the fact of not trusting a retailer. They are in the buisness to make money not make your gun work right. It would be nice if they did both but chances are they will not. The other thing to consider is the gas pressure and "green" gas isn't really a sensible system. The gas pressure changes by color, but green gas was supposed to just be envoirmentally friendly gas. None the less, they also can't speak english for shit, which is another problem. All in all I would just listen to the suggestions here and decide what you will do.
Luke
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Post by Knief on Nov 26, 2003 13:49:29 GMT -5
Please please please don't listen to a retailer when they tell you that brand X gun can take an upgrade or green gas reliably. WGC wants to sell you a gun. They want to make $200 off of you. So if you want to buy a gun, but it sounds like you want it because it can "take" green gas, they're going to tell you that it takes green gas. The same goes for EVERY retailer. It's called conflict of interests. Take this advice for when you need to buy a TV, a car, a bed, or anything else worth more than a DVD.
Now, can WA guns "take" green gas? Yes, you can fill the magazine with green gas and it will shoot. It will also wear the gun down faster than if you use hfc134a. If you understand that you'll be doing maintainance on it sooner than you would have to, and that part expenses are going to be higher and come quicker, than go for it.
I wouldn't use green gas in a STOCK WA gun, myself. hfc134a gives satisfactory performance, and much better gas efficiency in my SVI (when it was stock). In a double stacker in sumer weather, a fill of green gas didn't have enough to empty a full mag of bbs. hfc134a on the other hand allowed me to shoot over 2 full mags.
WA themselves even say that gas with more pressure than hfc134a should not be used in their guns, and that they will not honor any warrantees if they can find traces of any higher pressure gas in the gun. DumboRAT touched on this in his gas primer. Give it a read, it's the first thread in this section.
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Post by Toothbrush on Nov 26, 2003 21:00:01 GMT -5
Well i figure if i will be getting the same performance and if 134a is able to give more shoots per mag i will just use that. But were do you guys get your 134a? I know someone will say so your own research, and i will but still were do you guys get yours? looking for the best price...
And agian thank you
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Post by Knief on Nov 26, 2003 21:14:31 GMT -5
I like the6mm shop, combatdepot, or WTS - all of which can be found on the side navigation bar on the main forum.
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Post by luke213 on Nov 27, 2003 2:02:06 GMT -5
While allot of people buy their gas from airsoft shops I personally prefer to just buy "duster" gas. Then silicone my gun a little more. But this was when I was running duster which I don't in anything right now, though I may have to in the 18c's if I do some indoor. None the less duster works well, but you will need to search for a way to adapt the end. And once you get used to that you will find yourself adapting other things, like Propane tanks to airsoft mags and whatnot(though thats not suggested:)). None the less try duster since it truly is the cheapest.
Luke
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