Uggg! You guys are killing me with all these little things. My KWA just works. I really like having the dust cover closed, because it's just that....a dust cover. I thought G&P externals were supposed to be soooo realistic. A charging handle that doesn't return on its own power, and a dust cover that doesn't close doesn't sound very realistic to me.
Still the one hangup I had about not buying one was related to the hop-up lack of adjustment range, and if all it takes is 2 seconds with a dremel, I guess it's nothing to worry about. All the little things might add up to me being too fed up to find happiness with this rifle.
I really wanted a fun project gun with nice externals. Now I'm a little torn. I like my KWA because it just works, always has, but I do want to totally tweak a gun so I figured a G&P would be a good gun to pick up.
G&P are, or at least used to be, well known for their excellent externals and trademarks.
The issue I have seen over the last few years is that G&P has, at least in some cases, changed the color of their bodies. While older G&Ps used to have a black-gray finish on the body and then a gray finish on some of the other parts (dust cover, buffer tube nut, forward assist, for example), the newer G&Ps are basically a flat-black.
For example, in the image below, the M16A3 lower receiver is the "new" G&P color, while the A2 upper is the older, more gray color.
I'm not sure if G&P has a specific outside-of-Asia line which is available from Evike or if they've just changed the color of their bodies entirely, but the G&Ps that I've bought from Asia (M733, M4A1) were both grayish with real trades, while the G&Ps I've gotten from Evike (M16, M4A1) were both black with white G&P trades.
If trademarks are a big lure, then the G&P ones are pretty nice. Below is a G&P on the left compared to a KA on the right. The G&Ps trades seem a lot deeper and crisper to me.
My attitude about G&P specifically, and about most higher end airsoft companies in general, is that you buy a rifle in order to get the externals that you want and you worry about the internals down the line. Gearboxes all die eventually, so, at least to me, it makes sense to buy the nicest looking gun or the gun that most closely resembles what you want and then worry about gearbox stuff later.
As I've mentioned, I have owned 5 G&P rifles since 2011 and they've all been kind of "meh" performers out the box hop-up wise. They've all chronoed between 330 and 400 and have had a decent rate of fire on a 7.4v. Nothing really special to write home about aside from how nice they look. My KWA SR-10 was the first "expensive" AR I ever purchased and it was the first gun I'd owned that really felt like sports equipment and not a toy. It ran well out of the box.
Over the years I've acquired a bunch of different G&P uppers and kitted them out in different ways. I've got my fusion engine in a G&P body and I like having the ability to swap my G&P uppers around from my AEG to my Polarstar. So I'm a bit committed to the platform at this point.
Last Edit: Jul 26, 2014 8:33:09 GMT -5 by Gimpalong
See on my KWA the externals died before the internals. So I have to disagree with your statement that all high end guns need some sort of gearbox work. TMs are a prime example of this. They have cheap plastic bodies but they last forever. I've seen several posts from G&P owners that G&P is just as good as KWA but with better externals. Usually they say something like KWA is overpriced for what it is. They are roughly the same price as a G&P so one would assume that G&P would be all around better, but as has been discovered that's not really true. I think what people should be told is if you want great externals and mediocre internals buy a G&P and if you want a gun that you won't have to touch and you aren't concerned with externals buy a KWA.
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I do think it's worth noting that all these guns are coming from China or Taiwan or whatever. The quality control standards are never as high as our beloved Japanese guns. This stuff is still hit or miss(just like when you buy a JG or other lower end replica, albeit your odds are worse when you spend less) Unfortunately even if you shell out 300+ you can still end up with a lemon or have some issues from time to time.
It's unfortunate you are unhappy With your new gun this far X, with my limited hobby budget I always cringe when I make a larger purchase just for that particular reason. Hopefully you can the thing shooting how you would expect it to and everything works out for you.
I have had issue's with every single AEG I have ever bought right out of the box. My G&P needed shim's taken out. Shit my KWA needed a new gear box after I blew it up the first time I used a 11.1 lipo. My brand new Airsoft GI Custom build gun came to me with a cracked tappet plate that jammed up the whole gear box the first test fire. That one chapped my ass. I am still working out the bugs on that gun.
Some guns just work insainly well right out of the box. My friend has a GI custom he got 4 years ago, and its still going strong. The only issue he ever had was the hop up unit split in two, and he just superglued the thing back together and now he's outranging %90 of the guns out there (still trying to figure that one out). He hasn't done anything else to it. My point is that most guns, regardless of brand, need work done. And some, regardless of brand, don't. Welcome to quality control in Airsoft.
I think most of the problems are probably due to shitvikes poor shipping of the AEG, because I've never seen a G&P be this bad of a lemon. I've also heard that the G&P's you can buy stateside aren't as high of quality as the ones you can get from oversees stores like eHobby.