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Post by Bison on Jan 24, 2014 13:47:57 GMT -5
I plan on using a G&P M249 until the gearbox gives out and then upgrading it with a fusion engine. I know that G&P uses a V2 gearbox with an AUG style hop up. Does anyone know if/what modifications are needed for the fusion engine to function in a G&P M249?
I understand that the A&K and CA M249s have drop in fusion engines, but I love the steel body that G&P used since that's what I'm used to. Any help would be great since I haven't found very much info.
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Post by ctres on Jan 24, 2014 13:59:57 GMT -5
I don't know anything about putting a p* in a 249 but G&Ps are usually very compatible so I doubt it would be a problem. On the other hand, as discussed in another recent thread I feel that putting a fusion engine in a support role is kind of a waste, mainly because of the air supply issue and the fact that an lmg doesn't need any crazy performance to serve its purpose well, it just needs to put down steady fire.
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Post by Gimpalong on Jan 24, 2014 14:45:04 GMT -5
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Post by X on Jan 24, 2014 14:54:45 GMT -5
I personally have not done it, but Casper has. When I spoke to him about it he said the air tanks are too small for the role. You would need a very large and very heavy air tank to perform the role adequately. Add that weight to your already heavy LMG and it just isn't worth it.
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Post by Bishop (Task-Force Nightmare) on Jan 24, 2014 15:07:34 GMT -5
I contacted Bingo before and his install rates are really high. I asked him a rate for a custom install and he said it would be 500$ on top of everything else... if you have the money go for it because he does do a good job it's just pricey
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Post by Bison on Jan 24, 2014 15:11:10 GMT -5
Makes sense related to the higher demand for gas. My primary incentive for going the FE route in a SAW was the reliability. It seems that I could just take extra tanks into the field but i could see that being a severe handicap at larger events. I'll have to do some additional research but I'm glad it's at least possible.
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Post by Gimpalong on Jan 24, 2014 15:29:52 GMT -5
For the G&P Mk46/M249, a Bingo installation isn't necessary. I just posted the link since he had done one previously. The G&P SAW series uses a standard V2 gearbox, so the install shouldn't be super difficult. As far as using a Fusion Engine in a SAW, people are correct in that it's going to be adding a heavy tank and air-rig to an already heavy system. If carrying enough air is a problem you could always pick up a dual tank air-rig or simply run as large of an HPA tank as you can find. You can buy 100ci tanks and some paintball companies used to make 114ci. You could also run a red nozzle at a low PSI in order to conserve air, or swap out the stock poppets for the low flow version. So, you've got some options to consider before entirely ruling the idea out.
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Post by MayhemXXXFrosty (AndrewMp5k) on Jan 24, 2014 16:15:57 GMT -5
I contacted Bingo before and his install rates are really high. I asked him a rate for a custom install and he said it would be 500$ on top of everything else... if you have the money go for it because he does do a good job it's just pricey Sent from my SCH-I535 using proboards My buddy got a G&G M14 EBR (Short) with all the works for $600 installed from Bingo. Since the gun is $500 itself, that means he practically installed the FE for free. I mean $100 for a Fusion Engine? Damn! Granted I don't believe the original gearbox is included, but even if you sold the original gearbox for $400 (obviously highly unlikely) you would still be ahead with a free install. So maybe it's just what you wanted was pricey? Also, I don't see the big whine over P*'ing a LMG. A lot of people do it so I say go for it. Granted it's not as light as a normal P* loadout or anything, but I can see it being viable with multiple tanks. I barely notice my 90ci/4500 tank on my back while playing so the weight added to an LMG probably won't feel like much (if you're already planning on using an LMG, just don't be a wuss about the extra weight or bring a regular gun for later into the day). I look at it from the fact that you're going to have to reload after around 2500 BB's when your boxmag runs out which most likely means you'll be heading back to spawn anyhow. So when that happens just swap your tank for a fresh one at respawn while you're reloading your boxmag. I get roughly 4000rounds out of my tank so that's almost 2 boxmags. Granted an LMG might suck more air and thus less rounds overall, but you can always tweak your settings and do maybe 15rps and run a hotter nozzle at a lower PSI like Gimpalong said.
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Post by Piper (Immortal) on Jan 24, 2014 17:38:10 GMT -5
I AM going to P* my A&K M249, but I am going to use it ONLY in the back of a vehicle that I would engineer with not only a scuba tank for AIR, but a VAT of bb's and some sort of feeding system to make it possible to just drown the field in plastic. I am talking to casper about it, as I am buying his P* setup for my G&P M4's right now. He says that it could be possible, but also conveyed his drawbacks as stated above. That is the ONLY way that I am going to run my M249 P*'d out. Also, the tank and bb VAT would be affixed to the front of the bed of the truck as well, if anybody cared. It can be done though.
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Post by Bison on Jan 24, 2014 18:04:40 GMT -5
I'm an FO in a light infantry battalion so weight isn't an issue. I'm used to training with 70 pounds of gear on average. The dual tank setup seems very tempting for longer events and from what everyone has said the install seems to be doable on my own. I really do appreciate the incredible feedback!
Also, from what I've researched it seems that the FE is able to achieve better results from barrel length since you can adjust the air output. Would a para length barrel have a noticeable negative effect on accuracy compared to the standard length SAW barrel?
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Post by MayhemXXXFrosty (AndrewMp5k) on Jan 24, 2014 19:35:57 GMT -5
I'm an FO in a light infantry battalion so weight isn't an issue. I'm used to training with 70 pounds of gear on average. The dual tank setup seems very tempting for longer events and from what everyone has said the install seems to be doable on my own. I really do appreciate the incredible feedback! Also, from what I've researched it seems that the FE is able to achieve better results from barrel length since you can adjust the air output. Would a para length barrel have a noticeable negative effect on accuracy compared to the standard length SAW barrel? For the most part in a P*, the length of the barrel is like a gas blow back. The longer your barrel, the more fps you create. That's why having a P* is nice to have two uppers on say an M4 platform. You can go from CQB ready to Field ready with just swapping your uppers instead of adjustments or swapping internals. My CQB upper on my P* runs at 358 consistently, while my Field upper runs at 409. In reality you don't need anything longer then a standard M4 length inner barrel. Flat hopping or R/IR hopping would be a good idea. While it's still speculated on quite widely it seems the longer barrels don't help much for our effective range in Airsoft. So unless you're swapping uppers or something (doubtful on a SAW, but with how easy it is to change SAW uppers you totally could) you just need to set your M249 up according to your barrel since more than likely to use full-auto you'll want to stay around the 410 range. The Para inner barrel seems to be around 368mm and the standard m249 inner barrel is 509mm (I'm looking at the MK46's on Evike, but I'll assume for right now they're the same as the M249). This is the expected FPS chart @ 120PSI with the different nozzles; GreenCQB (275mm) = 313fps, Carbine (380mm) = 325fps, Rifle (509mm) = 363fps GoldCQB (275mm) = 350fps, Carbine (380mm) = 366fps, Rifle (509mm) = 400fps BlueCQB (275mm) = 380fps, Carbine (380mm) = 405fps, Rifle (509mm) = 435fps BlackCQB (275mm) = 423fps, Carbine (380mm) = 457fps, Rifle (509mm) = 476fps SilverCQB (275mm) = 446fps, Carbine (380mm) = 494fps, Rifle (509mm) = 514fps RedCQB (275mm) = 500fps, Carbine (380mm) = 550fps, Rifle (509mm) = 590fps So depending on what length barrel you go with, you'd have to pick the appropriate Nozzle color. Most likely if you want to use the 509mm barrel you'd probably want to go with a gold nozzle @ 120PSI or to conserve air maybe the stock blue at a lower PSI. If you went with the ~368mm Para version you'd probably want to go the standard blue or a black/ silver at a lower PSI.
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Post by slippy on Jan 25, 2014 2:17:53 GMT -5
^ Not entirely true, like at all. It is merely a guideline. I have a silver in my 416 running a 509mm inner and I have it tuned to hit 395fps without the use of a low-flow poppet. In all honesty you don't even need multiple uppers if you know how to tune. Just pick your inner length, do an R-hop (or flat hop), and learn how to tune. One nozzle can be used in EVERY role and in every setting.
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Post by Bison on Jan 25, 2014 17:52:16 GMT -5
You guys know WAY more about this stuff than I ever will! I've decided to go for it. Worst case scenario I can throw the V2 FE into an M4 and have a more balanced load out. Thank you all for the great info!
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Post by MayhemXXXFrosty (AndrewMp5k) on Jan 25, 2014 18:00:48 GMT -5
^ Not entirely true, like at all. It is merely a guideline. I have a silver in my 416 running a 509mm inner and I have it tuned to hit 395fps without the use of a low-flow poppet. In all honesty you don't even need multiple uppers if you know how to tune. Just pick your inner length, do an R-hop (or flat hop), and learn how to tune. One nozzle can be used in EVERY role and in every setting. Although it's not needed to have multiple uppers, most people like having a change of pace. Even though my CQB "Baby/Stubby" upper shoots lasers out past 200ft because it's IR hopped, it just doesn't feel right in a field environment. Same for my standard length upper, not as easy to cut corners in CQB as with my stubby front end. Obviously though mine is tuned to go between the two, but for someone just starting to dive into the P* role it may be easier to just swap nozzles for him (some people out there aren't that tech savvy per say).
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Post by Bishop (Task-Force Nightmare) on Jan 25, 2014 18:05:48 GMT -5
On the topic of p*. Is Airsoftjunkiez.com a reliable website? To order a p* package off of? I'm also looking into getting a p*
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