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Post by Ogre on Jul 25, 2013 23:40:35 GMT -5
They just posted this up on the OCAA facebook page, thought I would share it. I haven't got a chance to watch it yet though, my data usage for the month is up so I'm waiting until 2am until my internet starts running fast again, should be interesting. If anyone wants to get there event filmed, contact these guys. it will help them get popular and would help you out as well.
...... Only One Hour and twenty one minutes left.
EDIT: Apparently left out the video in the orginal post.
EDIT: Must have been a proboards issue, didn't show up on the Michnaa forum either.
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Jul 26, 2013 8:07:58 GMT -5
When a game is going on, goggles should be on even in the respawn area unless you are surrounded by walls on all four sides (and even that is a little iffy). It is incredibly unsafe to take your goggles off anywhere near the playing field. You never know when and where a shot will come from. I've played in plenty of games where we've pushed all the way to the opposing teams respawn.
Your refs should have been monitoring that.
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Post by Ogre on Jul 26, 2013 9:14:48 GMT -5
When a game is going on, goggles should be on even in the respawn area unless you are surrounded by walls on all four sides (and even that is a little iffy). It is incredibly unsafe to take your goggles off anywhere near the playing field. You never know when and where a shot will come from. I've played in plenty of games where we've pushed all the way to the opposing teams respawn. Your refs should have been monitoring that. We had one ref that was walking the field, he couldn't monitor everything, it's a little hard to have multiple refs on the field when we do these games for free and have no money to pay them. If I had two more refs I would place them both at the teams re-spawn to monitor that, plus keep track of teams causalities, use that info to add into the gametype? The Majority of players did keep them on at all times. |
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Jul 26, 2013 9:34:46 GMT -5
As a part of the Hellfish we have done dozens and dozens of games. We don't get paid to do them. By my calculations, we've generated more than 50k for field owners and did not get paid for any of them with the exception of one indoor game where we got a few bucks. We've always had multiple refs especially when it comes to larger games. Even SK has multiple refs and these are for rec games and its absolutely necessary to make sure we have eyes on all that is going on. That's a part of being an organizer and event host.
I know it looks like I'm being hard on you guys but keep in mind that you are an event organizer now. You are held to a higher standard than the typical player because you are the representative for the community and you are in charge of making sure that the events you put on are safe. That should be the first priority. Every time you have put on an event so far there have been complaints afterwards of issues regarding safety.
If your team is putting on an event, you need to assign a few of your teammates to ref duty for a portion of the game and maybe have them switch with the others later on. It sucks but everyone can't be playing the whole time. That's a sacrifice you make as an event organizer.
At the very minimum you should have at least one ref monitoring each team. Depending on the size of the game and how many are attending there should at least be 4 or more and each of them should have radios so they can communicate with each other the whole time in case people have questions or issues throughout.
If you don't have enough people, ask for help on MIA and I'm sure there would be plenty of volunteers that would gladly do it.
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Post by Ogre on Jul 26, 2013 14:53:43 GMT -5
As a part of the Hellfish we have done dozens and dozens of games. We don't get paid to do them. By my calculations, we've generated more than 50k for field owners and did not get paid for any of them with the exception of one indoor game where we got a few bucks. We've always had multiple refs especially when it comes to larger games. Even SK has multiple refs and these are for rec games and its absolutely necessary to make sure we have eyes on all that is going on. That's a part of being an organizer and event host. I know it looks like I'm being hard on you guys but keep in mind that you are an event organizer now. You are held to a higher standard than the typical player because you are the representative for the community and you are in charge of making sure that the events you put on are safe. That should be the first priority. Every time you have put on an event so far there have been complaints afterwards of issues regarding safety. If your team is putting on an event, you need to assign a few of your teammates to ref duty for a portion of the game and maybe have them switch with the others later on. It sucks but everyone can't be playing the whole time. That's a sacrifice you make as an event organizer. At the very minimum you should have at least one ref monitoring each team. Depending on the size of the game and how many are attending there should at least be 4 or more and each of them should have radios so they can communicate with each other the whole time in case people have questions or issues throughout. If you don't have enough people, ask for help on MIA and I'm sure there would be plenty of volunteers that would gladly do it. I plan on it next game. I already had a few people outside MiA volunteer, which I'm thankful for.I take safety seriously but I can't be everywhere at once so I enforce it as much as I can. Hopefully with more refs on the field next game, it should go off without a hitch. I like hosting games and would like to continue to do so. The responsibility that comes with hosting matured me a lot. I'm thankful to the Michigan Airsoft community for that. Speaking of how much experience the hellfish have, how should ATV's (stuff like Gators and Kubota's) be handled in play and how many more refs should be on the field for extra persuasions? I'm thinking about allowing one or two for the green team, since the idea is they are supposed to be better outfitted than the tan for that scenario. |
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Jul 27, 2013 10:38:28 GMT -5
I don't think we've ever had a hellfish game that involved vehicles so that's still new to me. For Northern light, vehicles could only be taken out by a rocket. Not sure exactly how they handled ATV's.
As far as the number of refs go, most of the games we've had, we had at least 4 refs and one (usually knief) served as the go-to guy and had the final say on any field questions or rules. Most of the time the refs follow the action. Occasionally we check spawns and objectives. It helps to have that chain of command so that you don't have each ref saying something different from the other and that there is one guy who sees the whole picture.
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Post by Ogre on Jul 27, 2013 17:46:57 GMT -5
I don't think we've ever had a hellfish game that involved vehicles so that's still new to me. For Northern light, vehicles could only be taken out by a rocket. Not sure exactly how they handled ATV's. As far as the number of refs go, most of the games we've had, we had at least 4 refs and one (usually knief) served as the go-to guy and had the final say on any field questions or rules. Most of the time the refs follow the action. Occasionally we check spawns and objectives. It helps to have that chain of command so that you don't have each ref saying something different from the other and that there is one guy who sees the whole picture. Alright, thanks for the Advice. |
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Post by Gunslinger on Jul 30, 2013 0:02:32 GMT -5
At northern lights only "heavy armor" had to be taken out with rockets. Atv's were able to be disabled by aeg fire. I was on the truck the whole time and that was what was told to me any way.
As far as when I was part of A.C.O. (Airsoft combat operations) which was a fairly big team for a couple years we did not play a game when we hosted. We were on the radios in a ref role or some times partly command role. It's is hard to ref a game you are playing and stay biased and do what you should be doing. That's why we would not play at all and if we did play we were to stay back and let the people we were there to insure had a good time be out front to play the game. Just a thought, it would honestly be a better idea for the "team" hosting the event to be the referies because its their ass if some one gets a eye shot out or tooth shot off. I've seen both happen and both times it was the players fault but there also were NO refs on the field.
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