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Post by MayhemXXXFrosty (AndrewMp5k) on Nov 30, 2012 17:25:57 GMT -5
Seeing from other fields, you'd think MiA would make up the majority of their profit, but I would probably state otherwise. Seeing the income from Phoenix Tactical, majority of it is from kids coming to play and their parents basically letting them babysit them almost. I can't really afford to play every week ($20 a week, bills suck you know), but little billy and his allowance most likely will.
Seeing as how you guys are late to the conversation, instead of using that as an excuse, you should probably read a little bit through the thread. 5-10 extra minutes isn't painful. Regurgitating information blows.
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Post by Gunny87 on Nov 30, 2012 17:31:29 GMT -5
Seeing from other fields, you'd think MiA would make up the majority of their profit, but I would probably state otherwise. Seeing the income from Phoenix Tactical, majority of it is from kids coming to play and their parents basically letting them babysit them almost. Not trying to derail this thread, but that IMO was what pretty much killed the fun and joy that I had playing CQB. Playing at places like MTAC, and the Winery was what got me back into airsoft. As soon as it became a parent's next best source for daycare, I pretty much stopped playing CQB. But to a business it's hard to turn away any paying customers even if they are 12 yr olds being dropped off by their mom so they can go and hit the mall. Anyways to get back on topic. I'm glad that they will conform to MIA FPS rules and engagement, however are they still holding on to their FPO (or FBBO) policy?
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Post by alexbuechel on Dec 4, 2012 15:37:04 GMT -5
You are indeed very late to the conversation. As mentioned, the Hellfish have been talking with them since the spring. They will adapt to MIA regulations. The top 7 levels are playable and I provided a few sketches for them to design a few levels. A lot of those levels are still under construction. The web site will be updated once the place is actually up and running. The earliest would be in January but will likely be delayed due to city requirements. Yep, that's why I stated it.... You mentioned you did some sketches. If it is at all helpful, I have the ability to construct plans for them to see the layout in Cad and decide what if anything needs to move around. I did this a while back ago for Phoenix but they decided to go a different rout with their final layout. Sometimes these type of plans help people see what may be good and what won't work. We could try some of these if we can get some basic floor plans from the facility. Work usually gets a bit slow in December so I may have some time.
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Dec 4, 2012 20:49:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the offer alex but I won't be needing any cad help at the moment.
UPDATE: I heard from one of the partners earlier today and they were waiting to get an estimate from some contractors with regards to the plans I provided. They've still got a lot of work ahead of them to get the place up and running. I'd give it a couple more months at least.
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Post by tdtactical on Jan 9, 2013 19:00:43 GMT -5
Hello my name is Randolph Holcomb Ceo/Founder of Tdtactical.com or Tango Down Tactical. I have been reading the thread pages in my free time concerning or facility that was forwarded to me by 1 of the Hellfish members and I have to say that there is a lot of misinformation that is on the website and in the threads. The website is not complete, all the rules will be changed to fit the standards set forth by the MI Airsoft Community. In regards to us failing, that is simply impossible. The building is owned by us, we have no over head, all markers (rentals) are paid for, debt free. We already have secured multiple training arrangements with Wayne State Police, DPD, Highland Park PD and Michigan State Troopers just to name a few. I am not an airsoft player, I create new startups successfully. My love for firearms is what brought me to this adventure. With that being said, we are not going to try and fight against what is already set in stone instead we are looking to embrace it. So what I am offering is this, u guys get together and figure out what you (MIA Members) want in a kick ass airsoft facility come down and meet with us so we can map out the floors and if it can be done we will do it. I'm offering 24,000 SQF of space for you guys - that's the first 3 floors of playing (floors 4,5,6). Hellfish has already submitted some plans but I want everyone to have some input and the majority will win. I'm sure there are carpenters and other skilled laborers lurking in the thousands of you out there, if you want a great facility for the people by the people then come and have a hand in it. I'm looking to get this started after we return from the Shot Show the week of the 21st of Jan. At least have it down on paper (thread) by the end of that week. U all are more than welcome to come and check out the place if u like just let us know. support@tactical.com Thanks.
PS. I do play however but I like to play hard, therefore a rule that will not be negotiated is No person under the age of 18 after 9pm Mon-Fri. This time will be designated for my hardcore players with rules varying from floor to floor. Its just only right to play on fully auto, u must agree. Talk to you later.
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Post by Zorak on Jan 9, 2013 20:28:18 GMT -5
MIA hasn't allowed full auto in CQB for a very long time, so no, I needn't agree. Also, while we generally accord a little extra leeway for posters who offer important services to the community, we really frown on using "u" instead of "you".
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Post by Krutch on Jan 9, 2013 21:01:55 GMT -5
Full auto kills all movement in a cqb environment. Plus it is just unsafe. CQB is not fun when it is just a bb fest.
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Post by cqbr on Jan 9, 2013 21:24:43 GMT -5
Full auto kills all movement in a cqb environment. Plus it is just unsafe. CQB is not fun when it is just a bb fest. Agreed. Do you guys have a tentative date for a grand opening?
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Post by Gunslinger on Jan 10, 2013 1:27:27 GMT -5
Full auto.... No thanks.
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Post by Sniper Wolf on Jan 10, 2013 2:00:28 GMT -5
You know, ordinarily I'd hop right on the no full auto bandwagon with everyone else, but I'd be willing to make an exception for mid/ low cap only games. I'm a semi only, mid cap rocking shooter even in field games just for the sake of ammo conservation, but the others are right- a full auto CQB game negates pretty much all movement. But if they had to reload every thirty rounds or so...
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Post by cqbr on Jan 10, 2013 2:02:38 GMT -5
You know, ordinarily I'd hop right on the no full auto bandwagon with everyone else, but I'd be willing to make an exception for mid/ low cap only games. I'm a semi only, mid cap rocking shooter even in field games just for the sake of ammo conservation, but the others are right- a full auto CQB game negates pretty much all movement. But if they had to reload every thirty rounds or so... Low-Cap ONLY games with a 5-6 mag limit would be doable. Especially with the ridiculously unrealistic ROF's many people have their guns shooting at nowadays.
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Post by ctres on Jan 10, 2013 9:15:25 GMT -5
Very true, In field games full auto and higher ammo capacity make up for the inaccuracies of a bb vs a rifled bullet, at cqb ranges airsoft guns are pretty much just as accurate as real steel, so if anyone wants to make the comparison between airsoft and real steel and how full auto should be allowed, then low-cap mags, <20 rps and, and a strict mag limit should be pretty much imperative. I still think that sticking with semi only is the way to go, since all of those limits would likely deter a lot of people, and still wouldn't completely negate the safety issue.
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Post by Greekas (TehG3A3) on Jan 10, 2013 10:38:55 GMT -5
To me, the only guns that should be allowed full auto privileges are GBBs. They naturally have a low ammo capacity per magazine and cooldown can also be a factor in how often full auto will actually be used.
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Post by Myers on Jan 10, 2013 11:05:41 GMT -5
You know, ordinarily I'd hop right on the no full auto bandwagon with everyone else, but I'd be willing to make an exception for mid/ low cap only games. I'm a semi only, mid cap rocking shooter even in field games just for the sake of ammo conservation, but the others are right- a full auto CQB game negates pretty much all movement. But if they had to reload every thirty rounds or so... Low-Cap ONLY games with a 5-6 mag limit would be doable. Especially with the ridiculously unrealistic ROF's many people have their guns shooting at nowadays. I really like this idea. Cap RPS ~14 and you'd have a much better, realistic game. 30+ RPS in CQB = just plain stupid. Honestly, 30+ RPS in ANY situation is just ridiculous in my eyes.
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Post by Gunny87 on Jan 10, 2013 11:34:50 GMT -5
To me, the only guns that should be allowed full auto privileges are GBBs. They naturally have a low ammo capacity per magazine and cooldown can also be a factor in how often full auto will actually be used. Agreed. At least with the HellFish ran CQB games I've played, usually full auto was allowed strictly for GBB's as well as AEPs. I'm fine with that. I do like the idea in theory of using low capacity magazines, however how do you enforce and check that everyone is using low-caps, and not mid caps? It's easier to distinguish high caps from non-high cap mags. But how do you check between mid capacity magazines, standard capacity magazines and low capacity magazines. All my mids are 110-130 rounders. The only way that I can see limiting ammo capacity entirely is by limiting the amount of magazines that a person carries on them. But as we all know this will never be done during a normal REC CQB game.
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