Co2 with a regulator?

[gREENcOW]

Would it be possible to just use a regular Co2 tank, with a regulator on it to fill GBB mags? If the PSI coming out of the Co2 tank is the same as HCF134 or HFC22 then it should, shouldn't it? Of course you'd have to use silicon oil (although you should do that even if you use HFC134 in the first place) I mean, the mag doesn't have a "preferance" on the chemical componants of the gas that it is using, does it? As long as the pressure is the same, it should be safe, I would assume. Or since it is made up of different chems, does it expand more, or less readily? I would really like to get a GBB gun, but gas is just to expensive for my tastes, not to mention the fact of waiting for it to ship, even if I order it on US soil.

I've considered the pc duster route, but from what I'm seeing, it won't power the cheaper made taiwan guns, which usually require HFC22. And I would really like to get a decent, but cheapest priced gun that I can. Most likely a KJW M9. And if I could just buy a cheapo Co2 tank with a regulator, that would be great. I mean, it costs all of what, a few bucks to refill a tank.

[Jacko]

Well, you could go the C02 route, but the cost won't be cheaper than buying gas cans for a loooong time. Why?

Good CO2 regulators cost about $100, and the tank would run you at least $20. Not to mention the microline (Or steel braided hose) and fittings, you're looking at another $30-50. C02 seems to run colder than HFC22 or HFC134a (I've gotten all three sprayed onto bare skin before), which would mean all the rubber (And plastic) parts in your gun would be more susceptible to failure after coming in contact with the C02. That means replacement parts, which could get expensive.

Not only that, unless you planned on just refilling one mag with BB's over and over again, you'd have to buy additional fittings to make quick disconnects (Q/D's) for all your mags and the actual hose.

It'd be worth it in the long run, but be ready to shell out some big bucks to get it right in the first place.

[gREENcOW]

Hrm. K. So that isn't the route to go then. But check this out.

www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/reviews/3psa_co2_adapter/3psa_co2_adapter_review.htm

What I don't understand from the pics is, how can that line be connected to your mag? I've never seen threads on the bottom of mags?? And couldn't you just use it like a gas can? Press the end of the gas hose into your mag, fill it for a few seconds, then your ready to go? I really don't understand that unit.

Also, have you heard anything about just plain old compressed air? Wouldn't that be the cheapest? haha, can you imagine, just using a simple compressor with a fitting to fill your mags. I wonder.....


Thnx for the info tho.

[Minky]

Some KWC guns (and I assume the CO2 adaptor) come with replacement quick release valves for the gas inlet on the bottom of your mag. You take out the original valve, screw in the quick release valve, and then you can attach the adaptor to the quick release fitting. This page might help you understand it a little better: airsoftpaintballs.com/externaltank.html That's obviously not for the CO2 adaptor, but it's the same connection concept. I don't know if the quick release valves work like the original valves, allowing you to keep the gas in and mag pressurized without the CO2 adaptor attached, but I'm leaning towards no.

[Jacko]

Yeah, I've been looking at that adaptor for use with a Maruzen shotgun. I think you'd have to retrofit your mags to take the hose fitting, somehow. Sounds kinda scary to me.

You could use it like a gas can if you put a slide check on there, so you could attach the hose, push the slide check off, let it fill the mag, and then push the slide on again before stowing it away. You'd have to put one of those little tubes that is on the gas cans on there, I don't know how hard that would be.

A compressor is an idea, as long as you had some portable power source hooked up to it. It'd be loud though, don't expect to sneak or hide! ;D

[gREENcOW]

Ahhh IC Minky, thanx. Yah, they don't really ellaborate on their site how that thing actually hooks up to a mag.

Thats kinda what I was thinking jacko, for the Co2 fitting, but I dunno.

And, I am serious about a compressor. We just happen to have a one at my house, and so does my neighbor.....Hehehe. Me and him kinda want to get some GBB's to just have fun with in our yards, (we have around 2 acres combined to play in). The compressor has a regulator on it, so I'm guessing the only thing you would have to do is rig up some kind of fitting so you could put some air into your mag. And silicon oil of course

[Bigmack]

or you can just get one of these to act as a semi-portable system:


Bah...clean this up for me Minky/Hado [edit](ehem! Or jdl.. [/edit]
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Since the link just went to the home page anyway...

www.homedepot.com/

[Ed]

Jacko- you said that you wanted to hook up Co2 to a Maruzen shotgun? Funny! A guy on my team did that.

Luke got the Mossberg M500 (silver body) with the pistol grip and immediatly wanted to upgrade the gas. He had an adapter of some sort (I forgot where he got it) that went into the nossle and hooked up to a macroline. This went to a Palmer female-female stabilizer that was hooked up to a 12g Co2 adapter. With a cheapo full stock from Cheaperthandirt.com, the whole thing fit inside with only a small black microline hose to show for it.

What surprised me was the efficiantcy of Co2. Not only did the power dramaticly increase (the stock Maruzen shoots like a bad springer), the 12g was a lot more efficiant. I think between 70 or 80 shots could be pulled out of one 12g. Thats about double or triple the green gas. You could also carry a couple of 12 gram cartriges around with you in a cargo pocket (smaller than the 1L green gas can).

Sadly, this gun was sold about a year and a half ago. If you are interested in this conversion, you can talk to a guy named Luke (he did the majority of the work). His e-mail is [e-mail].

[gREENcOW]

What do you mean, Bigmack?

Hey jacko, ed, check this out

www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/reviews/m870/m870_review.htm

Hey Bigmack, whats at homedepot?

[Bigmack]

bah. they sell a portable compressed air tank that holds compressed air from a compressor...tank is like 20 bucks.

[gREENcOW]

Ah, ic....But I don't really care about portability. All I want to do is use the compressor to fill up a couple mags and play around in our backyards. My whole concern was can you actually use compressed air. I don't see why not, as long as the PSI is the same as HFC134, or HFC22.