Rosa Rec Game 6/26/10

[Priest (Immortal)]

This was my first time here and probably my last time as well. The guys were very friendly and I experienced no attitude problems or excessive bonus ball hits.( Well no more than the usual extra shots one might expect! I have nothing else to say.) I just did not enjoy the terrain. The only entrance was a steep narrow path with over hang that completely inhibited your vision. This usual wouldn't be a big issue, except that the opposing team camped right at it with in 10 feet and there was absolutely no way to access it and actually put up any kind of offensive or take any cover whatsoever.So this left you getting yourself peppered with shots from the waistdown before you even entered the field. The other team was even shooting at us as we stood outside of the playing field. Which poses a safety issue as a couple guys were still putting their masks on to get ready to enter the field. This offered a very one sided battle, and about 6 of our 10 guys were shot before we even entered the field. The only other ways down that I could find were...

1. A very steep 10 - 12 foot drop that I was not about to attempt seeing that the landing was that of several branches (sticking in several directions) from the mud posing an accident waiting to happen.
2. Was a steep climb that would cause you to completely concentrate on your climb and not on any potential enemies. And once you got down, you had no stable ground to stand on and a lot of fallen tree limbs, brush, and swamp like water to climb over and tread through.

Now that being said, I think that if the game were restructured as to allow the attacking team a way to atleast access the playing field entrance, the game would operate a lot smoother. Now don't get me wrong. I do enjoy being presented with a challenging game, but I also expect to be presented with the ability to gain access to the field with atleast a chance to engage the other team, and not just as their target with no means of cover as I attempt to enter the playing area. Also, the game was called push, and the objective was to eliminate the opposing team and send them back to the second and third bases. However, there were actually no bases and therefore no actual area that they were contained to. So when you shot them, they could go about 10 feet away and setup shop. So as you walked by to hunt down the remaining enemies, they were free to shoot you from a few feet a away as soon as your back was to them. I believe that if more realistic boundaries were setup the game would run great.

If the game setup and boundries were tweeked a little more then I believe the Rosa Rec game would offer several great challenges. But with the terrain being as swamp filled and with several steep dropoffs, I wouldn't return with only one actual entrance with no possible way off using it.

[Kilo Oscar Tango]

I'm sorry you did not like that game setup or area. Usually people will flank on three sides of the hill, making that base the quickest to fall, but some trudging is required. Once the first base is cleared the field opens up for more options. With the number of people we had we went with the standard game. That day was not typical, I would have liked to put the newer players on the defending team, but it didn't work out that way.

We are actually preparing for another OP (a more structured game than the last) that will have two points of entry, the side you are referring to and a well groomed trail (large enough for a truck with no swamp areas to deal with). We can play a variety of games through various areas. In the past we have not had an issue with the terrain and zero injuries.

We are also considering slightly modifying a ropes course we have in another part of the camp to play more CQB-ish games with a lower turnout crowd.

We only used red to green to blue. We usually ignore yellow area (a swamp), but we have a whole other side to use. With another 40-50 person game we can use both paths and add objectives, but with a low turnout we are rather limited.
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[psvoorheis]

As a defender for once I see why it's so hard to assault the Red hill. But, to say it's impossible to assault is not true, it's easily flanked and overran. I did run into a group of guys trying to flank on the large path so there was a few guys on the assault team that knew how to get around.

[Priest (Immortal)]

Well first off psvoorheis, maybe you should read my review again. Not once did I say it was impossible to do. I merely stated that the game structuring was not right. Case in point would be firing at opponants outside of the playing area and the entry points being either dangerous (steep dropoffs at 10-12 feet) or the entry path being narrow and steep with overhang leaving you exposed to defenders camping 10 feet in front of it shooting at your legs while walking down a path which clearly offers you no protection. So that being said, the only alternative that was pointed out after an hour or so was a small trail leading to small dirt road about a 1/4 mile hike around. However, that still doesn't address this issue of the lack of set boundries in the prementioned nonexistent so called bases, and the fact that once shot the defenders can then choose to setup 10 or so feet behind you and shoot you as you seek out the rest of thier force.

[psvoorheis]

It wasn't directed at you, it was for the guys who said it was impossible at the game. Were you shown the path that goes around the Red base towards the black base?

[hylander27(Immortal)]

No, we were not told where to go. The guy told us to go down the middle. That's when we got shredded. My whole group heard him say that. When we came back up, the other group was gone. Over an hour later, they came back and claimed they said not to go down there. He clearly did. They saw us go down and said nothing.

[Kilo Oscar Tango]

For future events we are looking at using a squad system and squad respawns, mixing newer players with ROSA "veterans" to avoid people getting lost and keeping the games interesting. The multiple approaches are not obvious. We will also clearly define the game boundaries in the future as well.

We are looking at creating some new games using the other side of the field, however we do not use that area often, so we are not as familiar with it. That side would have an insertion on the trail, which is much less extreme than the other side (flat, well groomed land).

We appreciate the feedback we have recieved so far and look to use it to improve the game experience for everyone.

[Priest (Immortal)]

Sounds good. Ive palyed paintball for about 18 years and I am new to airsoft, however it' s great to see organizers who accept suggestions rather than getting upset when games are scrutinized even slightly. I know how difficult it can be to get to the point where games run smoothly.So good luck with your future games, as I wish you guys the best and safety too!

[skinnyghost-RS-]

I really enjoyed the game. Lots of play time and some awesome challenges.I personally enjoy the first hill you take because of how hard it is. Going around is one of the better ideas as me and a small group did that. I will continue to come and play out there.