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Post by Turk on Apr 25, 2010 13:02:14 GMT -5
After spending days looking into the different companies who produce an EBR I still dont know what company to go with. I know Echo 1, G&G, G&R, Classic Army, KART make a version what do you all think of the different versions? pros and cons of each
Price is not a big deal, however people have said that the CA EBR has bad internals, I dont know if the KART internals would be any better in comparison.
As far as weight goes KART is 14lbs CA is 11lbs not an issue for me, I will attach a few things so it will be heavier in any case.. .
The KART people have said the mags fall out .. others say they work perfectly, what do you think? Also the selector switch has issues with the KART however this is fixable, or the part is able to be swapped out with a TM part... or maybe parts from my G&G??
As with any china gun the bearings are plastic on the KART... but I plan on replacing that which should not be an issue, CA I dont know what the internals look like could not find a good review of the EBR internals for that. The KART gears standard version 2/3 so I would also swap those out no big deal.. all in all I would swap the intrenals of the KART and I am sure I would rewire most if not all of it with better thicker wires as I have read that the stock wires can heat up very quickly causing problems... somewhat of a big project but I know it can be done
also how is the barrel threading on each of the different versions? does anyone know, I have not been able to find that out anywhere
and then finally out of a 10 point rating what would you rank each ER at. keeping in mind that internals is what is important, as well as ability to upgrade the internals.
thanks for the input
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Post by Gunny87 on Apr 25, 2010 13:18:20 GMT -5
Having owned an ECHO 1 EBR which was just a re-branded KART with ECHO 1 trademarks for the price compared to the CA EBR, and the G&P kits it's the most affordable EBR you can get on the market.
And since the ECHO 1 has been discontinued, KART released theirs, which again they are the same thing.
In terms of quality, the CA EBR is going to be a lot better than the KART, while some reviews criticized the KART for using crappy quality pot metal, I never found the externals to be that bad on the KART/E1.
As far as internals go they are definitely sub-par with the KART. The internals for the most part seemed to be ok. The only problem my ECHO 1 EBR had was with the stock wiring. Which was very crappy. But after I had it replaced with a G&G M14 low resistance wiring the gun worked like a champ.
You will definitely want to probably replace the piston, piston head, possibly the cylinder, and head as well. The gears were ok though.
G&G hasn't released their EBR yet, but having owned a G&G M14, I was really impressed with their quality and would probably wait for that EBR to get released.
The only downside with the G&G is that it uses proprietary magazines (G&G, or CA), because TM designed M14 mags will not work with a G&G or CA M14.
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Post by Turk on Apr 25, 2010 13:40:25 GMT -5
I have a spare G&G socom 16 with what I presume to be a jammed gear inside it, I plan on opening it up later today and fixing what the issue is with that..
the KART piston head I hear is steel? how about the gears, china plastic ones or steel?
I have a bunch of spare mags currently for the M14 series (G&G style) I will definitely look into the G&G EBR, however it has been said that it is going to be a limited edition thing with only 200 being made for now, the first shipment made it to the U.S. 3- 3 - 2010
How about the barrel threading of the KART??
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Post by Gunny87 on Apr 25, 2010 23:20:07 GMT -5
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Post by Turk on Apr 25, 2010 23:33:25 GMT -5
got you on the threading.. no worries then
The G&G yes expensive also would need the proper mount for my optics ... something that is not a huge deal
this used one you sent looks like something I might look into for now
thanks for that one for sure
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Post by Kiki on Apr 26, 2010 8:58:25 GMT -5
If money's not an issue, then your best bet is to buy a TM m14 and the G&P EBR conversion kit. TM m14s are, in my opinion, the best stock m14s money can buy. I've owned several and have never been disappointed.
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Post by cqbr on Apr 26, 2010 9:24:51 GMT -5
This doesn't really help your cause of wanting a MOD 0 EBR, but for a super unique and equally schweet build I think you should buy this from RedWolf: www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/AEG_AEP_G_P_G_P_EBR_MK14_Mod_I_Navy_SEAL.htm In order to make this:   Most of the gun itself is already done out of the box, only other parts that are needed are: Tangodown Bi-pod Nightforce or Leupold optic LaRue (LT-608C) or SAGE Intl. mount Do itt!!! |
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Post by Turk on Apr 26, 2010 20:35:33 GMT -5
 I was going for something that looks like this, this one is made with a TM and G&P kit.... that is something I am looking at as this is going to be a primary weapon I keep around for a LONG LONG time I am sure as far as the one on red-wolf goes, I am not a huge fan of the aftermarket stock it has on it, and yes I know I could swap it out but the standard stock is something I do like, the suppressor is something I do plan on adding as to get a little longer barrel in the EBR that is why I am trying to figure out the threading of the barrel so much... but so far to no avail, at this point my guess is that it is a standard 14mm ccw but no one seems to know. which is not a huge deal I will just have to wait a little bit. something else that I did forget to ask in the top post, does anyone know if the bottom RIS rail for a CA or the KART EBR extends under the stock hand grip as in the case with the G&P shown above? (if you look closely you will see this one the stock hand guard was taken off completely to expose the entire bottom rail) I dont plan on using the battery compartment rather getting a Guarder AN/PEQ II Airsoft Battery Box and mounting it to one of the side rials and wiring it that way to make the battery change easier as well as allow my 9.6 to fit. suggestions?? |
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Post by Gunny87 on Apr 26, 2010 21:22:37 GMT -5
something else that I did forget to ask in the top post, does anyone know if the bottom RIS rail for a CA or the KART EBR extends under the stock hand grip as in the case with the G&P shown above? (if you look closely you will see this one the stock hand guard was taken off completely to expose the entire bottom rail) Unfortunately there is no bottom RIS that goes past the hand guard on the KART EBR. The CA I'm not sure about either. I forgot about this... www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=28_142&products_id=30012You might want to look into this. Seeing it should just slip on the flash hider of an EBR. It is expensive @ $80, but it's probably one of the sweetest silencers you could get for an EBR. |
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Post by Kilo Oscar Tango on Apr 26, 2010 22:37:44 GMT -5
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Post by Turk on Apr 27, 2010 4:10:23 GMT -5
I found that on the STAR EBR the RIS on the bottom does not extend all the way past the hand guard... not a big issue, thanks for the info on the KART one as well Gunny, as well as the link for the silencer that is nice, I will keep that in mind if I go with a KART (according to the site the silencer came from, it only fits KART, Matrix, Echo 1).
Right now I am leaning toward the Classic Army it is a bit more expensive, but that is not really an issue right now. As much as I would like to go with a TM and swap it out with the kit thats more work than I am looking for right now... however I would agree that is one of the better routes to take for the project
I really am turning the gears in my head as to how I could attach a vertical hand grip on the bottom of that battery cover if it came down to that... any thoughts, I know its plastic and attaching a small RIS could be done if needed with minor work as I said I will not have the battery in there so I dont think that would be an issue but any thoughts on this?
I really appreciate all the info and links
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Post by Gunny87 on Apr 27, 2010 9:14:45 GMT -5
It is possible because I've seen a video on You Tube of it being done, but you could always put a Tokyo Marui gearbox in a KART EBR chassis. Don't know if that's something you would want to do but it is possible. And like I said I never experienced any problems with the KART EBR externals.
Yeah, I think right now the Classic Army EBR will be your best bet. Especially that used one for $250, with the extra mags if it's still for sale. And then you already have G&G mags so you'd be set right there.
There was only one review that I read that complained about the CA EBR having bad wiring too, but other than that there has seem to be mostly good reviews on the CA EBR.
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Post by Turk on Apr 27, 2010 10:40:47 GMT -5
yea that is what I am thinking, and that one review who knows the guy could have had a lemon or something, I do like the idea of the TM with the KART externals but then of course the CA externals are C&C machined so that is another thing I am looking at as well
that used one I talked to the guy and it was sold the first day he posted it, I actually talked to him the first day he posted it also but he said some local guy gave him cash same day.
still looking to find out some info just to be like 100% on that thought.
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Post by Gunny87 on Apr 27, 2010 15:37:07 GMT -5
Oh gotcha, yea for $250 with extra mags I'm sure that EBR went quick. Considering it's a $400 gun and there's not too many out there. I've seen others for sale but they were much higher.
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