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Post by swampy92 on Apr 12, 2010 18:46:42 GMT -5
And another instance when I had him "dead to rights" or bang killed, but he says because I didn't say bang it doesn't count, so then he says bang and runs off...what is that? Last time i heard, a bang kill's is not a kill unless you say bang, and if your talking about the 2nd 300 game, you didn't have him dead to rights. |
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Post by Ike on Apr 12, 2010 19:14:59 GMT -5
And another instance when I had him "dead to rights" or bang killed, but he says because I didn't say bang it doesn't count, so then he says bang and runs off...what is that? Last time i heard, a bang kill's is not a kill unless you say bang, and if your talking about the 2nd 300 game, you didn't have him dead to rights. This is exactly why I don't even bother with trying to call bang kills. People don't honor them. I just aim for gear or somewhere where it won't hurt and take the shot. |
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Post by Mles on Apr 12, 2010 19:24:02 GMT -5
Last time i heard, a bang kill's is not a kill unless you say bang, and if your talking about the 2nd 300 game, you didn't have him dead to rights. This is exactly why I don't even bother with trying to call bang kills. People don't honor them. I just aim for gear or somewhere where it won't hurt and take the shot. Sometimes you can only get a bang-kill, in this instance I had my gun pointed right at his head area, thus no gear was present. I like bang-kills because both players walk away unharmed - it's the safe and honorable thing to do. swampy92You say I didn't have him dead-to-rights huh? I had my pistol pointed right at his face ready to fire - ready to fire - I have no idea how that is NOT dead-to-rights. Explain. You know what, I should of shot him square in the face, yeah because that would of been the cool, honorable and respectful thing to do. A bang kill is a much disputed factor of the game. It has been discussed various times and really has been a problem. Now I NEVER heard at SFOD that day if you didn't call bang it's not a bang kill - and I definitely had my gun pointed at him from less than 5 feet away and could have shot. In my years of playing and many OPs have attended I have never had a problem with Bang-kills, except with this guy. I personally ALWAYS take bang-kills, no matter what, it's just what you HAVE to do when playing airsoft. So really If this player actually had enough honor and integrity he would accepted I had him dead-to-rights and not call me a "motherfucker" and run-off. That is just plain disrespectful to me and to the game itself. The one thing that pisses me off is that he called me a motherfucker for no apparent reason. This didn't seem like the "playing-around-motherfucker" either, seemed like a competitive "oh-I- got-you, you-didn't-get-me-motherfucker", this shows a lot about his character on the field. I did not even get an apology after the incident or a clarification - he just ran off. I would personally make and effort to find the person I bang-killed and discuss it with him to see that we would of both agreed on it. Ask one of conscript's friends, I accepted a very nice Bang Kill he had on me, and I honorable accepted and even discussed it with him. We both agreed it was nice and safe kill. And please explain to me "swampy92" how that was not dead-to-rights...I can find at least 3 other witnesses who would agree with me that I could of taken the shot point-blank.. |
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Post by Doom (Immortal) on Apr 12, 2010 19:53:13 GMT -5
Well just in case this thread gets locked later...
I'd like to thank SFOD for hosting a great game and say I had a great time. Can't wait for the next one.
Koulaid, not sure if you were referring to me, I wasn't wearing MARPAT (was rocking good ol' woodland) but one of you guys smoked me in the side of the head during the 300 game when I got to the second story of a building on the edge of the city. If that was you, no need to apologize, no harm done.
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Post by koulaid on Apr 12, 2010 19:56:19 GMT -5
Miles if i were you i would've shot him a couple times as he was running off, chase him down and still shoot him if that's how he wants to play. Like stated above, if you have a pistol aimed at your head and don't have a gun pointing at the other player, he has you dead to rights (IMHO). If that's not dead to rights then next time that happens i'm pulling the trigger right in your mouth and if you bitch about it we will all come back to this thread and bitch again!
dooMguy that was me who shot you. Again sorry because we were all confused.
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Post by Guts and Glory on Apr 12, 2010 19:58:27 GMT -5
It seems heads were the only part of us each side would show. My first wound in the 2nd part of the scenario was almost up my nose pipe, had the cloth not been there.
This was followed by being pelted for the time to bleed out with my gun raised, as Greyfox can attest.
I guess tan didn't like my famas, I have nothing else to say.
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Post by Piper (Immortal) on Apr 12, 2010 20:48:53 GMT -5
Ok, first of all I had a blast yesterday and I think it all went well. All the teams played well, and mostly there was no complaints about not calling hits more than usual.
About the bang-kill thing....Let's just drop it, so this thread doesn't get locked. If you don't call bang, then they aren't dead. Period. If you do, and they run away, you shoot them in the back. Period. If you don't do any of the above, then you missed the boat. The fact that was even brought up is funny in the first place. If you've been to so many events like you said, you'd know that.
I don't like people talking shit about my players, and I sat there and watched the entire thing from about 10 feet away. He ran by so fast you probably wouldn't have hit him anyways, but whatever. Shoot him in the face next time if you can.
Let's just be adults and drop it.
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Post by koulaid on Apr 12, 2010 21:06:53 GMT -5
Well piper the thing is, is that it happened more than twice within the same game. That is why it was brought up.
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Post by Mles on Apr 12, 2010 21:36:03 GMT -5
Ok, first of all I had a blast yesterday and I think it all went well. All the teams played well, and mostly there was no complaints about not calling hits more than usual. About the bang-kill thing....Let's just drop it, so this thread doesn't get locked. If you don't call bang, then they aren't dead. Period. If you do, and they run away, you shoot them in the back. Period. If you don't do any of the above, then you missed the boat. The fact that was even brought up is funny in the first place. If you've been to so many events like you said, you'd know that. I don't like people talking shit about my players, and I sat there and watched the entire thing from about 10 feet away. He ran by so fast you probably wouldn't have hit him anyways, but whatever. Shoot him in the face next time if you can. Let's just be adults and drop it. This is a safety measure, it shouldn't be dropped. It should be discussed. There is a reason for this section, to discuss what happens at events - it is called "after-action reports" for a reason. This isn't going to get locked for discussing bang kills at SFOD. It's not just the bang kill, it's how he reacted after. So really, there is no reason to lock this unless someone starts flaming, etc. I am politely addressing an issue, so why should this even be locked? I'm not talking "shit". I am bringing up a problem, a problem that other hosts should attempt to fix. I am not dropping something that can hinder someone else's safety. You (Piper) being the event host should be very concerned about the safety measures on the field - you would approve me of shooting him from less than a foot away in the head? What if he got injured? I, then, would be in the wrong... I mean I don't think that is safe or the right thing to do at all, and would try to attempt to fix this issue, not condone it. I hope see where I am coming from. I mean I could drop this issue, but why? I want to have fun with the $20 I paid for entrance fee and not have this fun obstructed or even endangered by reckless players. I want to fix this issue, not just put it aside and act like it never happened. I want the community (the attendees of this event for example) to understand that these "competition" and "winning-is-everything" antics are frowned upon and should be fixed. If you notice I have not brought up a single name, hence why I still want to be on good measures with this player. I am not flaming, I am acting like an adult, so please don't tell me to act like one. Those that know me, know that I am generally a nice guy on the field and am very reasonable, but this situation just straight pissed me off. I have never been verbally harassed by a player so many times in a day  . But then again, there just words, so really not a big deal there. |
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Post by trustkill on Apr 12, 2010 21:48:15 GMT -5
swampy92You say I didn't have him dead-to-rights huh? I had my pistol pointed right at his face ready to fire - ready to fire - I have no idea how that is NOT dead-to-rights. Explain. You know what, I should of shot him square in the face, yeah because that would of been the cool, honorable and respectful thing to do. Aim a gun at my face point blank and I'll get violent. Airsoft gun or not that is an extremely hostile move. You're lucky to still be welcome at an event doing stuff like that. Ok, first of all I had a blast yesterday and I think it all went well. All the teams played well, and mostly there was no complaints about not calling hits more than usual. About the bang-kill thing....Let's just drop it, so this thread doesn't get locked. If you don't call bang, then they aren't dead. Period. If you do, and they run away, you shoot them in the back. Period. If you don't do any of the above, then you missed the boat. The fact that was even brought up is funny in the first place. If you've been to so many events like you said, you'd know that. I don't like people talking shit about my players, and I sat there and watched the entire thing from about 10 feet away. He ran by so fast you probably wouldn't have hit him anyways, but whatever. Shoot him in the face next time if you can. Let's just be adults and drop it. There is a reason for this section, to discuss what happens at events - it is called "after-action reports" for a reason. This isn't going to get locked for discussing bang kills at SFOD. It's not just the bang kill, it's how he reacted after. So really, there is no reason to lock this unless someone starts flaming, etc. I am politely addressing an issue, so why should this even be locked? I'm not talking "shit". I am bringing up a problem, a problem that other hosts should attempt to fix. I am not dropping something that can hinder someone else's safety. You (Piper) being the event host should be very concerned about the safety measures on the field - you would approve me of shooting him from less than a foot away in the head? What if he got injured? I, then, would be in the wrong... I mean I don't think that is safe or the right thing to do at all, and would try to attempt to fix this issue, not condone it. I hope see where I am coming from. I mean I could drop this issue, but why? I want to have fun with the $20 I paid for entrance fee and not have this fun obstructed or even endangered by reckless players. I want to fix this issue, not just put it aside and act like it never happened. I want the community (the attendees of this event for example) to understand that these "competition" and "winning-is-everything" antics are frowned upon and should be fixed. If you notice I have not brought up a single name, hence why I still want to be on good measures with this player. I am not flaming, I am acting like an adult, so please don't tell me to act like one. Those that know me, know that I am generally a nice guy on the field and am very reasonable, but this situation just straight pissed me off. I have never been verbally harassed by a player so many times in a day . But then again, there just words, so really not a big deal there. That is all. You played well when I was reffing. Everybody did. As much as this is a game both sides were wrong in their actions. Pointing fingers does nothing. |
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Post by Guts and Glory on Apr 12, 2010 21:48:26 GMT -5
To keep on good terms, I vote we each recall one gun someone else had that we wanted.
My vote is to whoever had the SVD and anything Conscript had.
Also, Devil, what did you place in my hand? I want to know my idiocy on judging trade value.
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Post by koulaid on Apr 12, 2010 21:54:46 GMT -5
I want Capsers m60! That shit is baller and beast!
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Post by Guts and Glory on Apr 12, 2010 22:02:59 GMT -5
Was that what Greyfox had at one point? Gave me an adrenaline spike hearing it go off behind me.
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Post by Mles on Apr 13, 2010 5:33:38 GMT -5
@trust
I wasn't pointing it at his head intentionally - it is just the way things happened in the situation. I have been hit with a lot of accidentally head shots that were from very close. In some situations, you end up with a gun at your head. I wasn't "aiming" for his face, his head was the only thing available so I stuck my gun there, if you notice, I DIDN'T FIRE for this reason. I'm sure most will agree with me that sometimes you end up pointing the gun in the wrong places at the wrong times.
In this situation the player dropped down from a building and his head was the only available thing to see, hence I pointed my gun at it, but didn't fire. So you're telling me you have never been able to shoot a guy very close? Well this time it happened to be in the head area, it wasn't what I wanted to point my gun at - it was the only thing I could point my gun at.
I try to avoid headshots/faceshots as much as possible, but in some situations you have no choice, such has a window or doorway situation, which this one was.
How was I in the wrong in this situation?
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Post by conscript ☭ on Apr 13, 2010 11:45:20 GMT -5
Bang kills were stated as optional as a kind and honorable gesture during the briefing. Yes it is a douche move to not accept the bang kill, but it is still within the rules. You were not wrong in this situation, you were just in a lose lose situation, and whoever you tried to bang kill is lucky that they were spared a shot in the face. I personally would rather get glassed in the face, if you can't take a shot in the face under engagement limits you shouldn't be playing airsoft without a full face mask. If you were in within your engagement limits then that is your fault, you are responsible for ensuring you can take a shot safely, not the person you are shooting. Some of Canto's recent games I've attended, bang kills didn't count, it worked out fine, applied to the SFOD field, those with hot guns may not engage in the city, like many of the past games I've been to. This bang kill shit wasn't just the guy on the green team, one of my comrades called bang on some one and the guy ran, so he shot him in the ass. The guy got all pissy about it and the ref pulled my comrade aside to discuss the issue at the end of the game, it's quite obvious that if you are given the chance to call out with a bang kill you either take it, or you have no problem with getting glassed in the ass or face.
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. But then again, there just words, so really not a big deal there. 
