Transporting Airsoft in a Vehicle

[Shadow (314)]

Thank you all for working on finding an answer to my question. I promise you I'M NOT LOOKING TO TRY/TEST THIS!! Even if it were perfectly legal to wave an airsoft gun in public, I still wouldn't because I treat all guns the same until I'm ready to shoot. Thank yo for those who helped show others that I do not want to hold a pistol in my cup holder.
Again, thank you all for putting the effort to me finding me the best answer you can. I appreciate it.

[Scarface]

Mar 10, 2009 2:16:55 GMT -5 SWAT A4 said:

Mar 9, 2009 13:31:32 GMT -5 Scarface said:

Whether it is spelled out word for word in the law is irrelevant. I'm a Law Enforcement major at my college I plan on applying to the academy next year.

In all honesty you can have an airsoft gun on the front seat of your car while you drive.

Regards,
Scar

Scarface, with all respect, I am a Criminal Justice major myself. It doesn't make us lawyers or judges, however I feel your information is a wrong. The law, in technical terms, does in fact say it's illegal to have it on your passenger seat... (And don't cite Wiki when you're talking any type of law, please!)

I know Mi is different, but in chicago Airsoft guns are treated as a real firearm on most standards.

Here, if you hold a shop up with an Airgun/bb gun/Airsoft replica you are charged with a Armed/Aggravated Robbery

If you really care to look, you can google it, however this is not MI. law. so it's irrelevant.

I know you are looking for an exact law on this, but there may not be. But, I'm not going to make myself responsible by saying that there is now law in MI about it, because your County, City, etc can make their own laws on it. It may boil down to where you live.

I live in a southern suburb of chicago, legal here. In the city, and some of my neighboring towns, it's illegal to own/transport/purchase/sell Airsoft. A 10 minute drive is all it takes for the law to change.

OK, as for the actual law.... Does it say. "Don't carry an HFC m9 in your glovebox" -- No.

1. Under Michigan law, All pellet guns are firearms.
2. Airsoft guns, as defined falls under "pellet guns." (# A small, solid or densely packed ball or mass, as of food, wax, or medicine.)
3. Back to the law: The proper way to transport a pistol in a vehicle if you do not hold a CPL permit. The pistol must be: unloaded; in a closed case designed for the storage of firearms; and in the trunk, or for a vehicle which does not have a trunk, where the closed case designed for the storage of firearms is not readily accessible to the occupants of the vehicle.

Which is why in my Article I had it in a pistol case under the back seat. There was no trunk of that vehicle, and it was unloaded, in a case, out of reach.
Some info found here, Google is your friend though.
www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/d_ccwfaq.asp

After doing more research and asking my instructor who is a Police Officer and has been one for more than 20 years who also teaches several classes at my college I have found out that I we may have been both wrong and both right.. Sorry if that may have came off a little harsh but I will explain fully why.

The two major things you and myself both overlooked with airsoft guns as relative to law is 1. They require absolutely no permit to purchase, and no permit to carry. 2. They do not fire any metallic rounds. According to my Michigan Penal Code which I do have a copy of they define a firearm as any caliber larger than a .177 that propels a projectile. While airsoft guns do meet this requirement they do not meet the other requirements that are otherwise implied in law. My instructor is going to ask the range master at my college for more information and if once and for all they qualify as firearms he also teaches a course at the police academy on ballistics, firearms, and explosives.

In summary there is no explicit law against carrying an airsoft gun for example on your front seat. While common sense may show that it would be stupid to do so, but legally you cannot be punished for doing so.

Regards,
Scar

[Lid]

Mar 11, 2009 6:58:33 GMT -5 Scarface said:

Mar 10, 2009 2:16:55 GMT -5 SWAT A4 said:

Scarface, with all respect, I am a Criminal Justice major myself. It doesn't make us lawyers or judges, however I feel your information is a wrong. The law, in technical terms, does in fact say it's illegal to have it on your passenger seat... (And don't cite Wiki when you're talking any type of law, please!)

I know Mi is different, but in chicago Airsoft guns are treated as a real firearm on most standards.

Here, if you hold a shop up with an Airgun/bb gun/Airsoft replica you are charged with a Armed/Aggravated Robbery

If you really care to look, you can google it, however this is not MI. law. so it's irrelevant.

I know you are looking for an exact law on this, but there may not be. But, I'm not going to make myself responsible by saying that there is now law in MI about it, because your County, City, etc can make their own laws on it. It may boil down to where you live.

I live in a southern suburb of chicago, legal here. In the city, and some of my neighboring towns, it's illegal to own/transport/purchase/sell Airsoft. A 10 minute drive is all it takes for the law to change.

OK, as for the actual law.... Does it say. "Don't carry an HFC m9 in your glovebox" -- No.

1. Under Michigan law, All pellet guns are firearms.
2. Airsoft guns, as defined falls under "pellet guns." (# A small, solid or densely packed ball or mass, as of food, wax, or medicine.)
3. Back to the law: The proper way to transport a pistol in a vehicle if you do not hold a CPL permit. The pistol must be: unloaded; in a closed case designed for the storage of firearms; and in the trunk, or for a vehicle which does not have a trunk, where the closed case designed for the storage of firearms is not readily accessible to the occupants of the vehicle.

Which is why in my Article I had it in a pistol case under the back seat. There was no trunk of that vehicle, and it was unloaded, in a case, out of reach.
Some info found here, Google is your friend though.
www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/d_ccwfaq.asp

After doing more research and asking my instructor who is a Police Officer and has been one for more than 20 years who also teaches several classes at my college I have found out that I we may have been both wrong and both right.. Sorry if that may have came off a little harsh but I will explain fully why.

The two major things you and myself both overlooked with airsoft guns as relative to law is 1. They require absolutely no permit to purchase, and no permit to carry. 2. They do not fire any metallic rounds. According to my Michigan Penal Code which I do have a copy of they define a firearm as any caliber larger than a .177 that propels a projectile. While airsoft guns do meet this requirement they do not meet the other requirements that are otherwise implied in law. My instructor is going to ask the range master at my college for more information and if once and for all they qualify as firearms he also teaches a course at the police academy on ballistics, firearms, and explosives.

In summary there is no explicit law against carrying an airsoft gun for example on your front seat. While common sense may show that it would be stupid to do so, but legally you cannot be punished for doing so.

Regards,
Scar

Here's what is gonna happen. Johnny Dumbass is going to be driving down I-75 with his buddy Richard Head. Johnny is going to say "hey Richard check out my new airsoft pistol". Richard is going to grab it and fondle it in the car not realizing that John Q citizen is seeing this as he drives by in a big rig or truck. John Q is gonna call the police and Johnny and Richard are gonna be kissing the asphalt on the side of I-75 with 5 cops pointing anything from an AR to their sidearms at them.

Best case scenerio their airsoft pistol gets confiscated by the officer who in turn shoots all his buddies with it, worst case scenerio he gets arrested.

This happens a lot not to mention the other dumbass that showed up at a park with an cheapo AK replica in his car and was showing his friends in plain view of the little league baseball diamond. That guy got so mad we took his AK he split his head open on the cage in the back of the car.

Oh yeah what you guys are forgetting is each city has different ordinances. Thats what you need to worry about. You could have a Trooper who is cool as hell and lets you go or a city cop who takes your replica and is a total jerk.

It is pretty standard that if you go in and hold up a business with a replica that you'll be charged wit armed robbery. Hell you just have to imply that you have a weapon. You don't even need a weapon to be charged with armed robbery.

[Scarface]

I did mention in my very first post that it is ridiculously stupid to attempt to carry an airsoft weapon that could easily be viewed by the general public. For those of you that started with this page the last two pages were discussing hypothetically what the punishment would be for carrying a airsoft weapon that could be seen by the general public, for example in a car on the front seat. Everybody that has contributed to this thread and those of you that are reading it needs to understand that all of us fully understand that displaying your weapons in a irresponsible fashion could get you killed and or arrested.

Follow proper safety procedure when transporting any replica, unloaded, ammo separated, locked away in a box, and also in the trunk or out of reach by all occupants.

Again, this thread was simply discussing hypotheticals none of us approve of irresponsible transportation or displaying of airsoft weapons.

Regards,
Scar

[magiver]

If you are smart, put them in gun bags, then put the bags in plain sight.

[Thor]

Jan 7, 2010 21:51:33 GMT -5 magiver said:

If you are smart, put them in gun bags, then put the bags in plain sight.

Jesus Christ Magiver, are you just finding every thread you can and posting in it for shits and giggles? I'm not even going to address why what you said was wrong, but it is. I'll leave you to figure out why putting gun bags in plain sight might not be a good idea.

Do yourself a favor, and just stop posting until you turn 18. I will be shocked if you actually have anything worth contributing until then.

[Kilo Oscar Tango]

For all intents and purposes Airsoft guns should be considered firearms. You should handle them with the same care and privacy you would with a real firearm. Any officer of the law will consider them real on sight before asking you if they are real or not, which could lead to some uncomfortable situation and time wasted if not confiscation or worse outcomes.

Airsoft guns being legally considered firearms is a myth, but a good one that keeps a lot of people out of trouble. It's a myth I think we should keep around if we want to keep Airsoft around. It's a lot easier to say than, "well the law is tricky and it depends".

[mbasher]

I treat my airsoft exactly as I would a real firearm. Being a CPL holder you need to understand that any firearm.... may it be a .177 cal to whatever must be treated as a firearm!!!!It would be stupid to get killed over a small skirmish with you and your friends on your way home from the field!! Any time i get pulled over with my piece it is required by law that you tell the officer you are carrying!! If the officer ask's you if you are carrying any weapons save yourself the trouble and show off your toys!!!!The cops are'nt that big of assholes unless you are!! Show some respect for our boys in blue!!!!What would you do in their shoes???

[theairsoftbay]

Excellent Topic SWAT! this should be added to all major airsoft retailers sites!