Farmington CQC: April 5th/6th

[Ghast]

The thing hunter and his dad (and whoever is running the show) need to realize is that they do not have a monopoly on the field market. Lets look at it like this, I can drive 45 minutes to two fields, SFOD or the CQB field, One has rec games that is free and a CQB city that is larger than the Farmington field, the other has rec games that I have to pay 20 dollars for and is so small that a player cap needs to be enforced. The only time SFOD charges is when they host OPs and 100% of that money goes to pay for the food they provide and to field improvements.

As soon as Farmington realizes that he does not monopolize the market, I'm sure prices will stay at a reasonable level. Don't get me wrong though, I always have a blast at the field and it was great to meet some of the nublings like Reaper Norton and Voidshadow who were both cool dudes. I'd like to think of myself as the voice of reason. Look at it from a business standpoint, if you increase prices, customers will take themselves to the competition. We did the same thing to futureball. Futureball tried to increase prices and make us wear full face masks and we (and my we, I mean ALL of MiA) packed our gun cases and left, simple as that. They in turn lost 70x15 = a thousand dollars in revenue every month. Remember Op: Red Out? over 150 people showed up for that and each and every one had a blast, but that'll never happen again because of the owner being greedy. I know about the insurance and all that with the facemasks, but that's besides the point.

In any case, I'll still play at Farmington, just far less often.

[Tex]

hunter2493 said:

If you don't like it don't go. We provided a facility, We had to try and convert our 20 year old haunted house into a airsoft facility. all people do is criticize us? We had two games don't expect it to be perfect by then...We are working on stuff to make it better but its all trial and error right this minute.

You've had ample time to make changes. And you've pulled in CONSIDERABLE amounts of money. Specifically the large weekend with at least 25 on Sat and Sun at $15 each.... that's $750, and yet, you cannot manage to do a single thing to the place? You can, however, manage to show up with some new airsoft replica's... interesting.

Fix the lights. Meaning get like 10watt lights in each room. Easy and cheap and will increase gameplay to a ridiculous degree.

Forget actual doors, just get rid of the flaps in the hallway, you can put them back up when Halloween comes around, as of now, they do nothing but create problems with people just sticking the barrel of their gun through.

Cover up all the holes down stairs. Anything smaller than 2 ft wide and tall needs to be covered up, because they are extremely cheap spots to shoot through. Return fire is next to impossible and often it's pitch black behind the holes so you cant see anyone. The hallway down there with all the light in it... yeah, all along the bottom needs to have like duct tape taken to it and seal it off. You can see peoples shadows move through the hallway creating an unfair advantage. Also, add more lights and don't turn on that damn strobe light.

All you have to do is spend a very small amount of money and the quality increases greatly.

This will never be a *good* facility, ever, the rooms are too small. However, it can be a *decent* facility that I see getting most of its use in the winter. But, if you want to be a money hungry little shit, that will never happen.

And so help me god, I will piss on your Systema if I ever see you with one.

Did I also forget to mention, that their insurance is $5000 for 1 year, split between the plethora of tenants that they have in the building. They hardly feel the hit there. They're taking home almost every penny they take in, don't even begin to believe the lies that Hunter is spreading.

[shadowshot]

hey guys, I know people are throwin words around about this cqc and I thought I'd add a few, the place is good, not great, but good, although it needs some work, its still fun, and isn't that was the game of airsoft is all about, the farmington cqc is a great place to go and hangout and just play a few games with your buds and meet new airsoft players. come on Mosin just because the place isn't up to teal R.A.G.E 's standards doesn't mean it sucks. Just go out there and play the game and quit whinin. . .everyone please!!

[Hunter]

We will keep the price at 15.00 and a cap at 35, If people want an answer to why the price changed its because we had 29 people show on Saturday and 11 of them play for free because of There help etc, leaving us with 285.00 brought in. Then - 200.00 for heating insurance etc. theres 85.00 plus we bought a chrono so we don't have to use other people's. -100.00
now were in the -15.00 zone. And Sunday we did not make anything because 4 people out of the 20 showed up so we let them play for free until ~ 2:00 pm. And the 4 people that did show we gave free passes to our next game because we know they probably did not have a good experience. So no-one needs to say we are greedy when we don't even make a penny on this.
We are going to fix up the downstairs starting this week, It may not be completly done by april 5th or 6th but most major issues will be.

[Seven]

cgyarring said:

hunter2493 said:

If you don't like it don't go. We provided a facility, We had to try and convert our 20 year old haunted house into a airsoft facility. all people do is criticize us? We had two games don't expect it to be perfect by then...We are working on stuff to make it better but its all trial and error right this minute.

You've had ample time to make changes. And you've pulled in CONSIDERABLE amounts of money. Specifically the large weekend with at least 25 on Sat and Sun at $15 each.... that's $750, and yet, you cannot manage to do a single thing to the place? You can, however, manage to show up with some new airsoft replica's... interesting.

Fix the lights. Meaning get like 10watt lights in each room. Easy and cheap and will increase gameplay to a ridiculous degree.

Forget actual doors, just get rid of the flaps in the hallway, you can put them back up when Halloween comes around, as of now, they do nothing but create problems with people just sticking the barrel of their gun through.

Cover up all the holes down stairs. Anything smaller than 2 ft wide and tall needs to be covered up, because they are extremely cheap spots to shoot through. Return fire is next to impossible and often it's pitch black behind the holes so you cant see anyone. The hallway down there with all the light in it... yeah, all along the bottom needs to have like duct tape taken to it and seal it off. You can see peoples shadows move through the hallway creating an unfair advantage. Also, add more lights and don't turn on that damn strobe light.

All you have to do is spend a very small amount of money and the quality increases greatly.

This will never be a *good* facility, ever, the rooms are too small. However, it can be a *decent* facility that I see getting most of its use in the winter. But, if you want to be a money hungry little shit, that will never happen.

And so help me god, I will piss on your Systema if I ever see you with one.

Did I also forget to mention, that their insurance is $5000 for 1 year, split between the plethora of tenants that they have in the building. They hardly feel the hit there. They're taking home almost every penny they take in, don't even begin to believe the lies that Hunter is spreading.

I have nothing else to say, plethora. "Jose, would you say I have a plethora of guns?"

[Hunter]

I just need everyone to understand that this was a trial and error type start to this facility, This is also our first season. When we started this with MOA they knew that the place was not perfect. We made an indoor place to play for MIA, People are expecting a lot from us almost instantly. There was never a down stairs place to play so don't complain! That area that is now our second field was just a mess of old power house equipment. When we built that field we did not know how MIA wanted it, And honestly I don't know much about cqc lay outs. Like said before we are going to work on a new design on the downstairs area. If you got an idea for the field please send us a PM, If you want to help build we can work out a deal to play for free if you help. If you have more comments please post them in a kind way.
Again the player cap is set to 35 people for both days and the price is staying at 15.00 a person. We are still doing memberships which are free just read the first post for details.

-Hunter, Dave

[deadprezident]

Listen, here's some good business advice..

hunter2493 said:

11 of them play for free because of There help etc

What is this "Help" there hasn't been any building going on so wtf could they help with that's worth wile? what, cleaning? or because they joined your little team? what?

Mmmk when your just starting out and need funds for supplies to build, DONT LET PPL PLAY FOR FREE! they will understand because you need the cash to build shit to make game-play better.
If ya loose some friends in the process who cares, this is business not a fucking friendship club. mmk?

After you've established the CQC facility to the point it needs to be then you can hand out your free games to make friends and bs like that.

Take care of your overhead first and worry about the rest later.

That's just my 2 cents, take it at face value or try to bitch me out. I don't frickin care.

prez

[Hunter]

Im not going to bitch you out but we did build a field downstairs three weeks ago and people that helped get free passes to play (that was only 1 person). plus team rage plays free for there help along with skypilot and ms.arc for there help too. I cant be like thanks for your help, now give me 15.00 to play (I have nothing else to say). If anyone from MIA wants to help build a field or donate supplies then do so it would help a ton because the only real help offered was from Mosin, and the only PM I got was from Knief on how to build a better field. So if people want to help there welcomed to because we are going to work on the field this weekend.

[Knief]

Everybody here needs to cool it with the hostility. Criticism is good, yelling is not.

Hunter,

Aside from a couple people who clearly have a stick up their ass, it sounds like most people here are trying to give a new field owner some guidance, not a tongue lashing. Please remember that not all criticism is an attack.

Now, you keep saying that you're new at this so the whole thing is a problem of trial and error. Most of what we're saying is that it doesn't have to be. The experienced players on MiA, especially those that have been playing CQC throughout their airsoft careers, know what works and what doesn't. We've all gone through the trial and error crap before, and we're trying to pass what we've learned on to you so that you don't have to.

People are getting upset and disappointed because you seem resigned not to learn from our old mistakes and improve gameplay for what's really a nominal cost when you're bringing in $15 per person. You don't have to wait to figure out how to change the lighting. We're telling you. And you're not going to have to observe for three more weekends to see where stalemates form. Most of us could look at a blue print of the field and tell that you that immediately. You've got a decent place. We're upset because we haven't seen you take one step towards making it better where it counts--gameplay.

I'm going to let you in on a little secret. All airsoft fields lose money. SFOD is still down thousands from all of their construction. ACO never made a dime when they had a CQB facility. Making money just doesn't happen in airsoft. That's why there are no commercially run airsoft fields the way they have paintball fields. You charge people to help offset some of the cost. If you're charging people to try to turn a profit, you might as well give up now, because it won't happen.

[Hunter]

jdl9th said:

Everybody here needs to cool it with the hostility. Criticism is good, yelling is not.

Hunter,

Aside from a couple people who clearly have a stick up their ass, it sounds like most people here are trying to give a new field owner some guidance, not a tongue lashing. Please remember that not all criticism is an attack.

Now, you keep saying that you're new at this so the whole thing is a problem of trial and error. Most of what we're saying is that it doesn't have to be. The experienced players on MiA, especially those that have been playing CQC throughout their airsoft careers, know what works and what doesn't. We've all gone through the trial and error crap before, and we're trying to pass what we've learned on to you so that you don't have to.

People are getting upset and disappointed because you seem resigned not to learn from our old mistakes and improve gameplay for what's really a nominal cost when you're bringing in $15 per person. You don't have to wait to figure out how to change the lighting. We're telling you. And you're not going to have to observe for three more weekends to see where stalemates form. Most of us could look at a blue print of the field and tell that you that immediately. You've got a decent place. We're upset because we haven't seen you take one step towards making it better where it counts--gameplay.

I'm going to let you in on a little secret. All airsoft fields lose money. SFOD is still down thousands from all of their construction. ACO never made a dime when they had a CQB facility. Making money just doesn't happen in airsoft. That's why there are no commercially run airsoft fields the way they have paintball fields. You charge people to help offset some of the cost. If you're charging people to try to turn a profit, you might as well give up now, because it won't happen.

If people want to help on a field they can pm us. especialy with the way the economy is. so let us know if ANYONE from MIA wants to help with a field or has donations of wood etc.

[operatordoc01]

Hunter,

Im not going to go into this, you have already replied to my PM and I thank you for that. I do not have a problem giving you a hand as well, since I do have the Exp and knowledge of the MOUNT Facilities and CQC training areas of Camp Lejeune, Nc.

Let me know, If I can get up there and I am not working on the new MOA field. I will give you a hand or Advice in building.

[KEVLAR]

I have some florescent lanterns and they give off a considerable amount of light, Ill bring them on the 5ht if people promise not to shoot at them. And i have some old chairs that i think i could donate they could be used as cover or just for siting i guess.

[Ghast]

Chairs would be a nice addition to the staging area upstairs. I was always looking for something to sit on. I don't think they would work too well in the field because they would get kicked around and broken and whatnot.

[Tex]

hunter2493 said:

We will keep the price at 15.00 and a cap at 35, If people want an answer to why the price changed its because we had 29 people show on Saturday and 11 of them play for free because of There help etc, leaving us with 285.00 brought in. Then - 200.00 for heating insurance etc.

Liar liar.... Pants on FIRE!

Seriously. Lying blatantly, especially after describing the circumstances to us previously is pointless. By law you are required to have it heated all year round. That is not an expense. Period. Also, your insurance, once more, is $5,000 split between all the building tenants. Your mystery $200 is in your pocket. Continually lying to our faces isn't going to help.

Also, wheres the alsmot $1000 that you would have accumulated from the past games (this includes people you let in for free).

Stop lying, and admit where the money is going, or you simply will not have people attend. It's that simple.

MOA is still in the whole because we keep adding things to the field. SFOD as well. Any good field does it for the love of the sport, not for money. You have gotten into airsoft field hosting for the entirely wrong reason, and it's just plain sad.

[KEVLAR]

let me know what you could use because i have a few filing cabinets and a mini trampoline.