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Post by popctrl on Apr 13, 2009 17:16:28 GMT -5
Launch that like you would a nerf football with a 203 shell and you've got a winner. You could do the same thing with the nerf footballs. I doubt anyone would complain about getting hit from one of those as long as it was not point blank range. 100-120 yards is about what you can expect out of a nerf football, and with that propulsion, they really do not travel at enough speed to cause damage. I'm not gonna argue the point any further because I'll just make something safe, then problem solved. However, I just want to point out the barriers to newcomers here. I mentioned nerf balls, and suddenly they weren't safe. And all I did was use the search thing for this thread.
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Post by Ghast on Apr 13, 2009 17:25:24 GMT -5
Launch that like you would a nerf football with a 203 shell and you've got a winner. 100-120 yards is about what you can expect out of a nerf football, and with that propulsion, they really do not travel at enough speed to cause damage. I'm not gonna argue the point any further because I'll just make something safe, then problem solved. However, I just want to point out the barriers to newcomers here. I mentioned nerf balls, and suddenly they weren't safe. And all I did was use the search thing for this thread. No, you mentioned nerf footballs with a chunk of metal in the center, THEN they weren't safe. Stop twisting the facts.
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Post by Knief on Apr 13, 2009 17:25:54 GMT -5
I don't like Tex launching nerf footballs either. But if the major games in the country allow it, and the majority of MiA event hosts are on board with it, I'll bite my tongue and allow it. It has nothing to do with you. The practice has become acceptable, so yeah, I'm going to advise somebody to start with what's acceptable when they're looking for a launchable projectile.
Your idea is unsafe for reasons that have nothing to do with the football. You want to launch a metal canister, and that's where we have the problem.
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Post by popctrl on Apr 13, 2009 17:40:58 GMT -5
I'm not even looking to use this specifically for normal gameplay, but you've got to start somewhere. And if you guys all just started developing with the idea instead of cluttering it with "I DON"T WANT METAL TO HIT ME", then it could be safe to people's standards, but all yelling the same bullshit isn't doing anything for the sport that you claim to love. Airsoft will never go anywhere with people who dismiss everything because it's unsafe instead of asking how can we make this safe. It takes a lot to innovate and very little to do nothing.
And as much as you don't like Tex doing it, I've been on these boards for much longer than I've been posting and don't try to tell me that him or anyone of the other buddies of yours on here would see this much resistance. Go ahead and give me warnings or whatever you want. It makes no difference. You can't stop me from playing and go ahead and call me unsafe, I know if I'm safe.
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Post by Kiki on Apr 13, 2009 17:47:47 GMT -5
Hey man, you just kind of have to let them have their *fun*. Tex is notorious for being an asshole, even when he does have a valid point. Just don't get into big arguments, and actually listen to what he has to say. He knows what he's doing, and he knows what is acceptable in MiA events. I congratulate you for the beginnings of a good idea, but you have to take some criticism. Surely you won't always get the best and nicest criticism, but you've got to learn to accept it.
Don't try to get too defensive, because it'll just turn things into a flame-fest which isn't good for anybody.
Just ignore (to an extent) all the rabble of "I DON'T WANT METAL TO HIT ME OMG!" and as long as you keep your head cool, people will start to actually give you good advice.
It's a lot easier for somebody to jump on a bandwagon and simply dismiss something as unsafe (in this instance), but it takes a lot more for somebody to actually add something innovative/creative to your idea to make it safe. So in this case, just keep cool and go along with it. Simply say "You guys are right, it's a dangerous idea. But I still want to do something like this, so can you guys give any advice on how to do it safely?"
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Post by Knief on Apr 13, 2009 17:53:56 GMT -5
Ok, going from us telling you that your idea is unsafe and making some generalized claim that we're holding back the hobby is complete bullshit. There's no causal link, and I'm willing to bet that most of the players who have rejected your idea have made far greater contributions to airsoft, especially airsoft in Michigan, than your home-brewed mortar idea. I'm not trying to put effort into making an airsoft mortar, so I'm not going to put a lot of thought into trying to help you with your idea. I will, however, tell you when your idea won't work. It's your project, so it's on you to innovate something safe, not me. If you don't like hearing criticism, then don't post your projects. And if you do post your projects, expect to get criticism.
And no, my buddies wouldn't be getting this much resistance. You know why? Because my buddies wouldn't suggest an idea that was so obviously dangerous. You think the long time members don't catch flak here? Go check out the no-show and ban lists in the Event Planning section. A lot of my friends were on both sides of those arguments, so inevitably, they all caught shit from each other, and some caught it from me, too. But here's the real ticket: nobody took it personally because we were talking about ideas, not about each other. You seem to be taking this whole thing a little too personally, and you probably shouldn't. Just because we're telling you that you have a bad idea doesn't mean that we're calling you stupid.
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Post by Shadow (314) on Apr 13, 2009 18:26:17 GMT -5
Anyone still mad, please listen. I started this thread. I think it may eventually develop into something good. Until then, yes, all the nay-sayers are right that this is a bad idea. The CO2 idea may or may not be the solution, but it could be a springboard to something better. I too took these rejections personally for a while. My stress increased and my relations with this community plummeted and I still ended up right where I started. So all of you who think these people are out to get you, trust me, I was there too, it doesn't pay off. I really like Kiki's last post and I think everyone like myself should really take that to heart. I first posted to get some positive ideas and constructive criticisms. It seems some of us forgot that second goal. Optimists don't do everything, pessimists help too. When optimists developed airplanes, pessimists developed the parachute! I guess my message is to take what people have to say and use it to improve your own ideas. Don't just lash out because you think they're wrong. I did that, it doesn't help.
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Post by Kiki on Apr 13, 2009 21:59:15 GMT -5
Thanks Shadow, you've definitely got a point.
With that said, I think this should be closed, and if Shadow (or anybody, really) has another idea for a SAFE airsoft mortar, they can start a new thread. This is now 12 pages, and I no I'm not going to read the entire thing at this point, especially as it seems that there aren't any substantial and SAFE ideas.
Just remember that if you've got an idea, be prepared to take criticism for it. I know everybody would love it if whenever they posted an idea, they get praised 100% for it. But that's not going to happen, so expect comments/criticisms.
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Post by Tex on Apr 13, 2009 22:35:38 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be an asshole. And I really don't think I have been. I'm genuinely looking out for the safety of myself, others, and the sport I love in general. Make it safe and then post it here. Or discuss possible safe solutions. Just... try to do it the right way and everyone will be happy.
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Post by popctrl on Apr 14, 2009 0:07:00 GMT -5
Eh....I'm not taking back everything I said, but I want to actually start posting here without getting stepped on, so I guess I'll give up my point.
It's obviously unsafe, and I knew that but it was a step that no one else was willing to make, and I was hoping that there would be some real contribution. I still disagree with a lot of people on these forums, (not about safety issues, but other stuff that I've seen along the way, I've lurked these boards with little to say for a while) but I guess I'm otherwise screwed as far as trying to get anywhere in the community.
So I guess what I'm saying is can I have a clean slate? And in the future, if I try to make something I know the dangers of it and won't take it to the field until it's ready, but I do take it personally when I spend a long time trying to innovate something. (And I did spend a while getting quotes for materials and designing the whole thing in Catia, not to mention testing)
Oh, and I'm not gonna give up the mortar idea but if you see anything about it in the future, it will be differently designed. I'm looking into alternative materials.
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Post by Shadow (314) on Apr 14, 2009 8:25:07 GMT -5
Popctrl, I'd love to see what you have so far and compare notes.
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Post by epicfacethe3rd on Aug 12, 2013 12:21:35 GMT -5
perhaps a spring could work... i have had a design for such a concept, although it was originally for a grenade.... send me an email for details: mtmarting@hotmail.com
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Aug 12, 2013 12:29:47 GMT -5
perhaps a spring could work... i have had a design for such a concept, although it was originally for a grenade.... send me an email for details: mtmarting@hotmail.com @ epicfacethe3rd you need to review the forum rules before you post again. This post does not clear the bar for rule #8. The purpose for that rule is to make sure that threads that have not been active for quite some time aren't pushed back to the top unless some relevant new information is added. It helps keep the clutter down. The last activity on this thread was in 2009. Your best bet would be to send a PM to the person you are trying to contact to see if they even remember this thread and if they are still interested in the topic. I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND that you go over the rules and all the threads that have a sticky on it before you get banned from MIA for stupid stuff. Welcome to the MiA forum rules/guidelines. This is a reminder of the guidelines we have established for this forum, in order to keep it running smoothly. If you have a problem with any of these guidelines, then we must quite simply request you post elsewhere. Thanks. 8 - Please do not post on "dead" threads unless you have something genuinely new, constructive, and useful to add. This applies to any threads that have been left dormant for two weeks or longer. Exceptions include Commerce threads that have not been declared as inactive, Retailer Reviews threads, and Buyer/Seller Ratings threads. Locked
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