Michigan Airsoft Training

[Antiterror]

I just put up a site at michiganairsofttraining.freewebtools.com to orginize the training of individuals interested in Tactical Law Enforcement, US Special Operations, or Intelligence work. This is for people in Michigan. Check out the site and either email me, post a message here, or post on my site with your comments.

P.S. I am also looking for ex or current Tactical Law Enforcement, US Special Operations, or Intelligence personnel who would be willing o act as instructors.

[Motown]

I dont want to burst your bubble but......I seriously doubt you will find any ex-tactical operators, or current tactical officers to help you.  Man of the tactics employed by swat teams are closely guarded, of course there are the basic tactics which arnt too sensitive.  Its a safety issue, if you know the tactical teams tactics, what kind of upper hand would they have.

[Antiterror]

Actually, most tactics used by SWAT are not all that secret.  There is several books out on them right now.  Ask a Delta Force operator, and they will tell you that they use mostly standard tactics, they just train harder, and for a wider variety of situations.

[Motown]

Most of the tactics use in books, are somewhat obsolete.  The tactics are basics, yes, but there are man ymore basics than what you read in the books.

[Ed]

I accually heard that SWAT tactics might be common knowledge, but they don't want people to know the SWAT's specific tactics.  SASOT has a Q&A where a SWAT cop gives limited knowledge of police tactics and training.  Check it out here:

www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/4300/tacticalqa.html

[Motown]

Quoting from that tactical officer "The arena I work in is a very serious, and sometimes deadly one. Tactical superiority is maintained by not divulging information considered sensitive by Law Enforcement professionals. Therefore, the information I relay will only be that which is found in print or media forms accessible to the public already."

Which means, I highly doubt you will get any ex spec ops fellas, tactical officers, to give you tactical information.  What you read in books is highly basic.  All the knowledge I've gained, has not come from books, but from classes, seminars, and being able to watch the SRT a lot.  The only other way to truly get information, is becoming a tactical officer yourself.

[set_follower]

i might no a couple people who would want to be a part of this. i am not sure how much the were actually trained but i do know that their knowledge on the subject is very extensive.

[Ed]

There is no "secret tactics" that these guys use.  Just watch COPS, or Combat Missions.  What they do is combine basic tactics that are played in unison with their team mates and PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE.  What the guy is getting at is that he does not want anyone to predict how a police officer is going to act in order to undermine that officer's safety.

For example: Why do you think SWAT teams hardly ever take casulties?  It's because they always enter at night, early in the morning.  And because they watch their target and interpret the targets actions.  Of course SWAT is more sophisticated than that.  But we will never know because no one will ever tell us anything more.

How a tactical class could help people is to act like "Muss-L-Flash" (the guy on the link).  To consolidate commonly known data that might be hard to find, and to dissolve any myths.  For example: I didn't know that you weren't supposed to say "clear" in an entry until a few months ago AND I consider myself a CQB buff.

[Antiterror]

Exactly.  Also, does anyone know anybody who would like to be an instructor or student?  If so, instant message me on this site, send me an email, or post it on this site.

[Motown]

Exactly....wrong.

Shows like combat missions and cops, espcially cops is fake.  You see the pure entertainment, you dont see all of the tactical movement, or the staging, or the schooling, and toher tactics they have learned.

Tactical Teams rarely take casualties due to the fact they are superiorly trained, usually have better firepower than their opponents, and are generally under a numerical advantage.

Tactical Teams will usually stray away from nighttime entries.  They will enter whenever they deem that the objective is present, and when the easiest time to enter is, Intelligence.  They will make sure the target is there, while making sure there are less people inside.  No sense to make a raid when there are 50 people there, when if they wait, the odds are they may be more successful.

Tactical Teams are majorly succesful not only for the aforementioned reasons, but because they are the time keepers.  The best asset in a tactical situation is time.  Many times the officers will gear up, get briefed, and wait...sometimes many hours, even days, for all other options to be exhausted (Negtioation, Attrition)

Tactical teams, do use basic tactics, thats a given.  However, what you see on tv, or do in games, only scratches the surface of the basic tactics.  If you know the tactics they are going to use...as in entries, certain room clearing drills, stack movement, intel gathering, you will have a good idea on what they will do, which is why when you see this on TV, they dont go into extreme detail.

[Locutus]

Ed, Cops and the other shows don't show you the SWAT matrix/crouching tiger style fighting techniques that are top secret.  

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Thought I'd give you my 2 cents. I've been studying military CQB and SWAT team tactics without being in a team for many years.

The thing about SWAT tactics is that the basic CQB tactics and a lot of the basic procedures are "common" knowledge. However people who publish these things are very aware of what they put in it. There are parts that are deliberately left vague. For example: rules of engagement. If the suspect know exactly how to stay inside the ROE he can keep an entry team off (As seen in the movie The Negotiator). There's also a lot of "special" tactics that are commonly used that are rarely meantioned in books you buy. Most teams have their own tactics, and sometimes even their own manual, anyway.

What people usually don't realize is that law enforcement tactics are generally very clever and complex. It's difficult to go into details but there are certain tactics, procedures and considerations that kept very secret. Many SWAT members also have to keep their identity secret for security reasons.

You can learn a lot of basic tactics from books and develop some yourself. You might even get a real tactical officer to help you out. That will probably be enough for an airsoft team (and often for your smaller SWAT teams) but don't think that you will beable to learn advanced tactics this way. They're a well kept secret among your larger tactical teams. Even if most teams keep their tactics simple and focus more on training and employing them perfectly in a real-deal situation, there's no way you'll beable to employ the kind of tactics that elite teams, like the 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment - Delta uses.

[Ed]

I never claimed to say that I knew everything about CQB.  I never said that COPS or Combat Missions was completely true, I used them as an example.
To quote Muz-L-Flash:  
"The game we are playing, airsoft, is fun, and by watching an episode of "Cops" or "Navy Seals" or "Soldier of Fortune", you would learn more than you will by reading a year's worth of my column."

COPS however is not fake.  It might be highly edited, but everything shown is real

I'm sorry guys but this person is a police officer.  If YOU are a police officer, then you can correct me.

What you might not understand is that the SWAT team is mostly used for high-risk warrents.  These are often given at night in urban areas.  I know this because I have read this is books and have seen it on local Television.

Motown: nothing in my post went against anything you said.  I agree with everything you said.  What I wanted to say was that people think that SWAT teams are the equivalent to the Matrix or Crouching Tiger.

[Antiterror]

Okay, I think there is a few things tht I need to make clearer.  First off, when I said exactly in response Ed's comment, I should have said that I was referring to the part about Pratcice, Practice, Practice and the part about the training class.  I rarely watch Cops, but all of the episodes I have seen are horribly innacurate.  You are also absolutly correct about SWAT Teams going in whenever they have to.  Second of all, I am a Sergeant in Police Explorers, and I one of the programms I attended was a SWAT Seminar with some of the other post officers.  At the Seminar, they stressed that most of the tactics they used where the extremely basic, but MODIFIED for the situations that they face.  It is true that every team has a different way of doing things.  I personnally have spent at least 50 hours outside of post training in the past few months practicing building entries and other Police situations/tactics (domestic disputes, felony stops, etc...) and we use basic tactics modified for our own preferences.  Also, in respons to the statments that I would have a hard time finding ex tacical officers, I have had several ex and current intel, security, and military personnel that hve showed an interested in being instructors, and a few more that I personnally know that might be instructors.