G36C VS M4

[Savage]

Buddy of mine just purchased a G36C. I am happy and sad to report that it seems to shoot a fair amount better than my M4.

Is it typical for the stock G36C to outshoot the stock M4?

His shoots a fair amount farther and straighter. It also has a quicker cycle rate and seems to use less battery. WTF? How is that possible?

Did he just get a really good one or what?

[Knief]

the thing is, everything you've said is really subjective, so to answer objectively is pretty hard to do. He could have gotten a G36 from a good batch, you (or who ever owns the M4) could have gotten it from a bad batch, or just a bad gun.

The next G36 off the line could have some problems and be worse than the M4 you compared it to.

[Bigmack]

i'd just chalk it up to his being more recently produced, having less wear, and being more recently lubricated.

honestly...how long have you had your M4 and when was the last time your cleaned/relubed it? talking about serious cleaning...taking apart the gearbox and lubing up everything with gear grease and cylinder grease.

when i did that to my G3, the RoF went up noticably.

also, pull apart your M4 (should just take the 2 pins to do it), remove the barrel, and take a looksie down it. any marring on the sides? debris? run the cleaning rod that came with your AEG down it with a cloth covered in rubbing alchohol. do this a couple of times.

[Savage]

As far as being subjective, I agree, but that's why I asked the question. I was thinking that there are probably some people out there playing on a regular basis with an assortment of weapons who might have noticed the same thing, or not.

Both guns are very new. A couple weeks old. Both have been slightly disassembled for cleaning. Gearboxes were not touched. Both barrels look spotless. Spray silicon was used for lube. Both guns have had less than a full bag of 4000 through them. In fact, his probably has slightly more through it than mine.

My initial theory is that the G36C is a little better made. It feels a little sturdier. Just wondering if anyone else had noticed?

[Minky]

The G36 uses a Version 3 mechbox compared to the Version 2 of the M4, and I believe it also uses a different motor. The mechboxes should be pretty much identical internally, though I'm not sure if the G36 uses a different cylinder than the M4. The motor, if different, could easily have a different rate of fire than your M4, and battery voltage and capacity plays a role in ROF too. I think both guns have similar barrel lengths, so there should be no real difference there if they're both stock.

As jdl mentioned, airsoft guns aren't produced with the greatest quality control, and there can be big differences between even 2 of the same model guns. You might find one stock gun shoots 260 while another shoots 285, there will always be variances. A difference in FPS could account for what you're seeing, as well as how sturdy the whole barrel assembly is in each gun. BB weight and hop-up play a role too...

Overall, there's just too many variables. I wouldn't worry too much about it, unless there's a difference of 50 feet or something.

[MWC Retail]

sometimes that just happens with AEGs....actually i will have to test it and will tommorow but im pretty sure my STOCK M733 shoots as far (close to or farther) than my UPGRADED (350FPS) SR16...maybe i saw wrong, we will all find out tommorow at around 5 or 6 I have nothing else to say ;D

[Jacko]

I find that kinda hard to believe, mikcatt. Maybe it's your BUSTED SR16 instead of an upgraded one, eh?

[MWC Retail]

me too, i prolly didnt shoot from the same place or something..my SR16 shoots over 50 yards...measured, i dont think its screwed up...actually i COULD push 60-75 out of it if i got a new barrel

[Savage]

Thanks for the info guys.

Not really too worried about it, just pisses me off a little. Mostly cause he is always giving me crap about HK's being better than AR's (real steel). I like HK's, but the things are rediculous expensive. You put the same money in an AR and it shoots just as well.

I'm not giving him an edge or I won't hear the end of it. Time to do a little upgrading I guess.

BTW, my M4 has a 1000 motor. His has a 1000s. Same battery. His barrel (suprisingly) seems to be quite a bit shorter than mine. My memory is poor, but I would have to guess it's about 4-6 inches shorter! Proves that extra barrel length is unnecessary!

[Jacko]

The G36c uses the same inner barrel as the P90 and CAR15.

[Bigmack]

well, that would obviously depend on caliber and weapon, Savage. personally, i think that the G3 and AR series are two of the best weapons in the world. both are reliable, have proven themselves, and ammunition for both is readily available. i'd easily take either in a Shit-hits-the-fan scenario....but i'd break it down like this.

in a long distance engagement, both weapons would do well, but i'd be more comfortable using a G3 series than an AR...but for a support role or assault role, an AR can't be beat.

[Newman]

I just have to add that I, too, have noticed a huge difference between two Tokyo Marui stock guns that I have owned. The M4 I bought shot extremely poorly and the ROF was pitiful. Even with a 9.6V1700mAh, the ROF wasn't very good. I put a Systema Hi-speed motor in it and the ROF was the highest out of any gun I've ever seen...or at least highest "sounding". Then the mechbox cracked. *shrugs*

I finally got an M733 on Sunday after a long hiatus from AEGs, and its ROF is finally high enough with a mini battery to be considered "good". Surprisingly, the range is very good...much better than most (if not all) stock Tokyo Marui guns I have seen. Really tight quality control for the M733, perhaps?

Ah well, I'm happy, so it works out. I'm just glad I don't have to upgrade this gun like my former M4.

[MWC Retail]

the M733 is amazing and im gonna go do my range test now and edit it into this post

EDIT: yea, the SR16 shoots fine and shoots faster than the M733 (can test ;D) but only has 5-10 yards over the M733....im guessing stock the M733 is shooting 280 (like regular) or maybe up to 300 FPS.

M733 very very mini review (small overview). the gun is great and shoots well stock with a long range...nice body makeup...very sturdy. stock adn foregrip are slightly textured...nice sights and the charging handle is very nice with a great spring in it