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Post by Bigmack on Jan 12, 2004 19:55:04 GMT -5
Yeah, i was looking for that.
Also need to check the ammount of piles in each vest.
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Post by MWC Retail on Jan 12, 2004 20:14:39 GMT -5
Bigmack, just a little FYI. 5.56MM/.223 rounds go right through level IIIA. A friend and I are in the middle of a Kevlar project for school and made a DVD of us shooting a level IIIA Plate. stopped 12 gauge, stopped 20 gauge, stopped .22 LR, stopped .40 S&W, and my uncle's Preban AR15 shot holes through it at 30-35 yards ;D
Anyway, I have a Blackhawk Crossdraw in OD (with the built-in holster) and really like it. It ran me about $120 a little over a year ago so I dunno what they cost now. And in over a year it has help up perfectly and I still use it when not using my mock bullet-proof vest with Kevlar plate.
-Mike
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Post by Bigmack on Jan 12, 2004 20:22:48 GMT -5
Oh, i know it will pop right through it. How many criminals you seen with rifles, though? Most criminals have sawn off shotguns, or pistols. the kel-Tec 9mm carbine has also become quite popular among them recently. I'm not worried about any criminals fielding anything that can penetrate decent body armor.
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Post by MWC Retail on Jan 12, 2004 20:30:05 GMT -5
I was surprised and very impressed when my little IIIA Plate stopped a 12 gauge slug at less than 25 yards And it stopped the .40 fired from a Glock 23 without even penetrating the first layer of the plate -Mike
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Post by Motown on Jan 12, 2004 20:38:26 GMT -5
The major problem with non-new body armor is that you don't know where it's coming from. Typically at gun shows/ebay they'll sell the crappiest, most used and even counterfeit stuff they can find. If you're looking to buy a bullet resistant vest, don't be a dumbass and trust your life to something cheap, spend the extra money for a new/good one.
In Detroit, Nearly half of all murders and serious crimes are done with self made automatic weapons (Including rifles and pistols)
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Post by Bigmack on Jan 12, 2004 20:58:36 GMT -5
I've got a family friend who works on the DPD Narc squad...he's been telling me that 95% of the weapons they confiscate are stolen 9mm, .45, .38special pistols and more than a fair share of kel-tec carbines.
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Post by Motown on Jan 12, 2004 21:02:43 GMT -5
The two vipers I've talked to stated that their ev locker is chock full of just about full automatic everything.
Granted they're housing support, but there was a "study" in the Free Press about the numers of automatic weapons used in Homicides and larger robberies.
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Post by Munin on Jan 13, 2004 18:11:49 GMT -5
Actually, in terms of total number of firearms crimes committed, automatic weapons rank ass-low on the list. Most crimes involving a gun (stick-ups, murders, muggings, carjackings, etc) are done with small caliber pistols (we're talking .25 ACP here, folks). They're light, easily concealable, cheap, and more or less ubiquitous.
Rifles and shotguns account for less than 5% of all gun crime in the United States, and many of those are accidental shootings during hunting season (because even an accidental shooting qualifies as negligent manslaughter in most cases, and is thus listed as a "violent crime" in most statistical compilations).
That said, virtually any idiot can make his "semi-auto only" Tec-9 or Norinco SK into a fully automatic weapon with a little time, a few tools, and half a clue.
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Post by Motown on Jan 13, 2004 18:35:19 GMT -5
I can agree nationally, however as stated, in the City of Detroit, nearly half of all homicides and larger robberies were perpetrated with automatic weapons.
Anybody who's spent a New Years in the city can attest to this finding.
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Post by Hadoken on Jan 13, 2004 18:53:10 GMT -5
Very insightful information, but lets get this thread back on track now shall we?
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Post by AlexLarsen on Jan 13, 2004 19:35:38 GMT -5
Thanks for listing that Arktis, Super, I was going planning on going with the Jaeger vest when I buy my Danish kit, but I might just change my mind.
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Post by Motown on Jan 13, 2004 22:24:08 GMT -5
...My take on a good outdoor vest would be some sort of harness/LBV which is modular (though this is a highly desirable charateristic of an indoor vest as well) Obviously, the the postitive things of a modular vest (user friendly, unique, typically longer lasting) are the main selling points. When using an outdoor vest, you have to take into account what weapon(s) you're currently carrying or any future weapons you will be carrying, and wether or not the non-modular vest will satiate your current and future needs.
I personally feel the DOAV to be quite bulky and full of useless things, which I personally wouldn't use. Though I've not had field experience with it, I was able to check one out at Metropolitan Uniform, and it wasn't my cup o' tea so to speak. If you do decided to use a modular vest, be sure to pick one which has the most amount of pouches for it, as well as standard things such as durability, quality, color etc.
My verdict goes towards the Blackhawk STRIKE "system" which I've finally placed an inital order for (the STRIKE LBV to be more specific and a slew of pouches) though I had my eyes upon the RACK/Guarder MOD for quite a while before making my final choice.
My choice for a non-modular close quarters vest, as I've mentioned before a while ago, would be the Blackhawk Phalanx (though I'm not much a Blackhawk fan). Again, I've no field experience with on, I was able to try one on/inspect one, and it is quite low profile, yet has a more libeal amount of pouches/better pouch placement than other vests- this in addition to the standard blackhawk features.
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Post by Jacko on Jan 13, 2004 22:26:39 GMT -5
Motown, if you get your STRIKE stuff in less than 5 weeks, you've gotta tell me where you got it from. I've had a STRIKE Commando Chest Harness on back order forever now. I've had the SAW pouches and other equipment for it for quite a while but three different places can't give me a time frame on when they'll have more.
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Post by sUpEr K-@Z2-K on Jan 16, 2004 22:50:16 GMT -5
I've bought $600 worth of equipment from light fighter and they are telling me the same thing... that all of it is back ordered from BHI and Eagle. I was meandering around some of the links attached to MiA and I came across what is being called the gear of the future. Is it just me or are our troops starting to look like stormtroopers from Star Wars...
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Post by sharpshooter123 on Jan 16, 2004 23:34:08 GMT -5
Personally I think that is overdoing it alittle (ALLOT). But that is me. Anybody ever think of the prices on these vests. Anybody actually know a CHEAP place?
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