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Post by shrike on Jul 2, 2014 21:18:41 GMT -5
I'm currently working on two maps right now. I have a black and white one in the works right now, but I want to also get a satellite version up as well. I'm trying to find that AO on google maps but that isn't going so well. If anyone can find the location, pm me the cords and I can get to work on the sat map.
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Post by Impulse on Jul 2, 2014 22:05:26 GMT -5
I've got the coordinates at 44.705079, -84.644150.
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Post by eagledriver on Jul 2, 2014 22:12:09 GMT -5
Shrike, unfortunately the AO was just constructed a short while ago (this year) so you would have to check to see which of the mapping providers (Google, Bing, etc.) might have a very recent run of aerial photos. There are some more photos on the Blacksheep Facebook page here:
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Post by Mosin on Jul 3, 2014 9:19:19 GMT -5
RAGE is presently at 7/11 players for our squad. We're looking for serious dudes that are trying to stay awake a good bit of the night portion and do a healthy dose of gooning around with us. If you're interested and have already PM'd me I have you in our bucket right now already, if you haven't PM'd me and would like to link with us please do so.
August 3rd will be our "training" date for this, at Pagan's rec game. We'll be bringing everything we intend on having for the 24 hour op with us and we will attempt to avoid going back to our cars in between breaks to ensure we have everything to not slow down.
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Post by shrike on Jul 3, 2014 12:28:28 GMT -5
The maps are completed for those who want them. Please note, on the black and white map, the buildings are slightly larger. I'll be working on a 5x3 version of the map for those who want to put it in a wrist playbook thing. If you need a specific size pm me and ill get you set up. Edit: For those who don't understand how to read the map. You're going to want to read the map from left to right and then from bottom to top. Each dotted line equals .25. So if I wanted to call out building 4 I would say 4.5/4.25.
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Post by usagei on Jul 3, 2014 13:38:08 GMT -5
I'm going and probably bring 3 guys with me., will be at pagans on the 3rd. Also bringing 2 or lmg's. When we were at lightning strike their was a lack of heavy guns.
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Post by Gimpalong on Jul 3, 2014 14:54:11 GMT -5
Shrike,
Why wouldn't you use the traditional
G F E D C B A _1234567
style grid on the map?
I can see a ton of confusion when people are talking over the radio and mixing up the X/Y-axis numbers.
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Post by Mosin on Jul 3, 2014 15:07:25 GMT -5
I told him how an actual Military map reads, so he ran it that way. A real map you read left to right, bottom to top. It's not battle ship style where you say "B3" and that refers to an entire square, in this situation B-3 would read 1 - 3 (Pronounced one tac three). There are 4 separate boxes that in increments of 0.25 make sense, so if you want to be more precise than an entire grid square, you could say 15 - 20 to establish you are on the south west side of building #5. Because we aren't getting precise to within 1 meter, we can probably just stick with two and three digit grids. Read up on this to learn how to read a map the way it's supposed to be read: edtech2.boisestate.edu/jasonclemens/506/map_grids.html
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Post by Gimpalong on Jul 3, 2014 16:00:32 GMT -5
Good to know. I haven't played around much with the MGRS; I'm more of a PLSS guy myself to be honest.
Still, the eastings and northings on MGRS maps aren't usually equal, right?
It's not usually
5 4 3 2 1 _12345
Isn't it typically
5 4 3 2 1 _40 41 42 43 44
And then each cell can be broken down into constituent parts as you describe above?
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Post by Mosin on Jul 3, 2014 16:28:28 GMT -5
It can be. I tried to keep it simple for this one. If I say I'm at 350 - 260 that puts me at north east corner of townhouse. I didn't want to get anymore specific than that.
If I add the 40+ series, then I say I'm at 4350 - 2060
It's the same thing if you have the appropriate map, but it keeping it smaller makes it easier for people to remember.
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Post by Impulse on Jul 3, 2014 19:53:41 GMT -5
Usually there is a bit of convenience to having the numbers in different ranges, however. When the SW corner of my map is 490680 and someone sends coordinates as 69355090 - I like being able to tell that they sent the numbers the wrong way because these coordinates are hundreds of kilometers off my map. Using the same base defeats that a bit - and to be fair, I thought he was asking for the GPS coordinates so he could convert them to UTM points (somewhere around 495687) and use those as the corner of the map. Doing 0-4 on one axis and 5-9 on the other would perfectly solve this problem edit: I'm stupid, I looked at gimp's example as the actual grid borders, oops
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Post by Mosin on Jul 4, 2014 7:48:50 GMT -5
The problem with his grid squares is they aren't small enough to do 0-4 and 5-9, you have to to double digit no matter how you do it. The way it is now will work for nice three digit grid coordinates. Doesn't really need to get more complicated than that.
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Post by shrike on Jul 4, 2014 11:21:28 GMT -5
At first I had the map setup in the typical battle ship configuration, but after talking with mosin I learned that was improper. We decided to use the same numbers for simplicity really. The way it is now, I don't think it would be too much of a problem. If more people think it's going to be too confusing I could easily change the numbers no problem. I'm sure everyone was taught how to plot a point, left to right bottom to top. (2.25 tac 5.5) Everyone get to building 28? Awesome.
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Post by Gabriel on Jul 4, 2014 11:31:38 GMT -5
Not trying to be a smartass, but its basic coordinate reading. If you are on these boards (let alone wanting to attend a black sheep event) you have covered this in school. Like 6th grade at the latest. Unless you are a grade school dropout.
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Post by Coldwave on Jul 4, 2014 11:54:31 GMT -5
There's a difference between basic coordinate reading, and efficiently communicating a specific location to somebody.
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