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Post by Ogre on Feb 28, 2014 10:03:59 GMT -5
So I have a Echo1 M16 sitting around that I am trying to turn into a DMR platform and I have already invested in a prommy soft bucking, a tightbore and a H-nub and I am looking at investing in a new hop up before I R-Hop the gun. I've heard nothing but praise about the Prowin hop-up units and it just looks cool. I'm wondering since the Echo1 is one of those plastic half hop up unit guns, if there will be any issues with the prowin hop up since it is a full hop up. I've read that KWA can't accept prowins due that issue but that might also be a proprietary thing. It looks like the part that feeds the bb's into the gun can unscrew so I'm wondering if it is just a simple pull or if any modification is going to be needed in order to get this to work. I am willing to go with other hop-up units if the prowin is not compatible as long as I will get good performance out of them.
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Post by Pagan on Feb 28, 2014 10:15:03 GMT -5
So I have a Echo1 M16 sitting around that I am trying to turn into a DMR platform and I have already invested in a prommy soft bucking, a tightbore and a H-nub and I am looking at investing in a new hop up before I R-Hop the gun. I've heard nothing but praise about the Prowin hop-up units and it just looks cool. I'm wondering since the Echo1 is one of those plastic half hop up unit guns, if there will be any issues with the prowin hop up since it is a full hop up. I've read that KWA can't accept prowins due that issue but that might also be a proprietary thing. It looks like the part that feeds the bb's into the gun can unscrew so I'm wondering if it is just a simple pull or if any modification is going to be needed in order to get this to work. I am willing to go with other hop-up units if the prowin is not compatible as long as I will get good performance out of them. If your replica is using a two piece hop up (which it sounds like it is) you would have to either get a new body, or mod your current one to fit the prowin. If you stick with a two piece, look for a TM hopup unit. |
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Post by Ogre on Feb 28, 2014 10:21:03 GMT -5
If your replica is using a two piece hop up Yeah that sounds about right, xD sorry for not knowing the tech terms. Your talking to a guy who first time installing a tightbore, broke his hop-up. Anyways, I will probably order one, if I can't get it to work in my Echo1 it will work in my G&G since it is a one piece hop . About how much do the TM hop ups run now a days? |
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Post by Pagan on Feb 28, 2014 10:29:54 GMT -5
It's all good man, it takes a while to get the names of everything. TM hopups are a bit pricy: $24 before shipping from HK shop.ehobbyasia.com/tokyo-marui-original-hop-up-set-for-m4-m16a2-aeg.htmlHonestly though, if you're not going to switch bodies and go with a one piece, I would just tell you to try it with the bucking and nub you ordered, and you should see an improvement from where you are at now. |
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Post by Ogre on Feb 28, 2014 10:45:01 GMT -5
It's all good man, it takes a while to get the names of everything. TM hopups are a bit pricy: $24 before shipping from HK shop.ehobbyasia.com/tokyo-marui-original-hop-up-set-for-m4-m16a2-aeg.htmlHonestly though, if you're not going to switch bodies and go with a one piece, I would just tell you to try it with the bucking and nub you ordered, and you should see an improvement from where you are at now. Yeah, I already have, I did get a pretty good improvement in accuracy and airseal. I'm just trying to get the best performance out of my gun before I take the plunge into R-hop. |
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Post by Pagan on Feb 28, 2014 11:02:28 GMT -5
What is it not doing, that you're looking for?
I've found trying multiple combinations, I've been able to get the results I was looking for.
Sometimes cheaper buckings work better for me with better nubs, and then the exact opposite will work better in another replica. I'm getting great results with a stock brass barrel, madbull blue bucking and a homemade nub in one of my G&Ps, while my other one has a TK barrel, stock echo 1 bucking and a madbull shark nub.
If I switch these set ups, they don't work as well. It can depend on your fps and air seal in each replica.
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Post by Ogre on Feb 28, 2014 12:44:26 GMT -5
What is it not doing, that you're looking for? I've found trying multiple combinations, I've been able to get the results I was looking for. Sometimes cheaper buckings work better for me with better nubs, and then the exact opposite will work better in another replica. I'm getting great results with a stock brass barrel, madbull blue bucking and a homemade nub in one of my G&Ps, while my other one has a TK barrel, stock echo 1 bucking and a madbull shark nub. If I switch these set ups, they don't work as well. It can depend on your fps and air seal in each replica. I'm running a madbull tighrbore with tape around the outside of the barrel so it fits snug with the outer barrel, a stock echo1 hop up, a prommy bucking and a Angle customs H nub. So far I am getting good accuracy but with ammount of wind we have had it is hard to tell. I am going to wait until the wind dies down and we lose some of the snow before I start really messing with my gun. I chrono'd 360 with .25 so I'm assuming my FPS is around 390ish. Looking at switching to a bucking that doesn't have a rubber nub since when concave nubs work the best. Found those today on Airsoft GI, as well as a flat hop nub, which I might use instead of R-hop due to it being a easier to install mod. |
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Post by MayhemXXXFrosty (AndrewMp5k) on Feb 28, 2014 16:24:59 GMT -5
If you go the Prowin route, you'll have to dremel out the area that the 2piece hop-up's lower area screws into. The thing is whether or not your Echo is a metal body or a plastic body. This is because since you have a two piece hop-up your gun breaks apart like a real M4. So it hinges on the front pin and rotates up. With a 1 piece hop-up the same is not true. Metal bodies with 1 piece hop-ups slide apart instead of hinging. So since your body doesn't slide, then your hop-up won't clear the nozzle to close. If I remember correctly you can still get 1 piece hop-ups to work with 2 piece hinge style plastic bodies because all you basically do is pop it on right in front of the nozzle and since it's plastic it's easier for the tabs to flex over the gearbox then just slide it back about an inch into place. It really depends on the body to be honest if I remember right.
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Post by slippy on Mar 1, 2014 0:36:05 GMT -5
Prowin's are nice Ogre but I personally wouldn't mod a body just to fit one. It does exactly the same as all hop-ups just in a slightly different manner.
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