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Post by Twisted on Jan 12, 2014 2:39:10 GMT -5
I currently have a G&G Combat Machines that has served me well. I want to let my son use that and upgrade to a better rifle, but I'm unsure of what to get. I was looking at the G&G Top Tech blow back rifles, but have read that G&P actually makes a better AEG. Since they seem to run about the same price, could I get some feedback from the community on this one?
FYI, I plan on installing an IR-Hop and rewiring to deans.
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Post by ctres on Jan 12, 2014 9:17:11 GMT -5
I'd definitely recommend either a G&P or VFC if you are looking at higher end AEGs. Both are fantastic externally and have solid internals to work with for upgrading. G&G pro line guns are nice but there is nothing about them that is paticularly special, whereas there is a lot more to like about G&Ps and VFCs from both a performance and aesthetic standpoint.
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Post by Gunny87 on Jan 12, 2014 16:37:20 GMT -5
I would get the G&P over the G&G Top Tech since I'm partial to G&Ps myself. And I personally don't care for EBB's since it's just an extra part that can break and usually leads to a weakened gearbox as well as a waste of extra electricity from your battery that could go to more shots instead. They have a very nice body and external quality, and while their internal quality isn't the best out there, it's definitely above par I would say especially if you get one that has a 8mm gearbox and a M120 motor standard. If you have a specific G&P model in mind, can you provide a link?
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Post by Twisted on Jan 12, 2014 17:37:09 GMT -5
For G&P I was thinking something like this. www.evike.com/products/23911/Since this would be for CQB I understand I would have to either short stroke the piston or replace the spring to get the velocity below 350 fps, but that is ok. For outdoor I have a Tokyo Marui M14 I'm working on. |
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Post by ctres on Jan 12, 2014 18:17:34 GMT -5
That is a fine choice, they are all pretty much the same internally so just pick one you like on the outside. There are a bunch of nicely trademarked G&Ps if you are willing to buy from HK like on wgc or ehobbyasia.
If you are comfortable working on gearboxes then G&Ps are great. Overall they are awesome but some have a few quirks in stock form, most notably the axles on the sector gear (IIRC) shearing off in some instances. Other than that they make a great base though. All TM spec, nice gearbox shell, nice strong bearings, pretty good compression parts, above average piston and piston head, and a motor that really rips, albeit with very little torque.
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Post by MayhemXXXFrosty (AndrewMp5k) on Jan 12, 2014 19:57:38 GMT -5
If you go with that G&P, it should already be wired to deans (G&P is one of the only brands that has T-Plugs or deans pre-installed, but not on every model is this the case).
I would just replace the spring if you want to run for CQB instead of short stroking, and since you're already in the gearbox I would redo the shimming. For the most part, G&P's are just a little bit too tightly shimmed in my experience for running on an 11.1v. Most likely if you just run a 9.6v you won't see any issues.
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Post by Gunny87 on Jan 12, 2014 21:55:03 GMT -5
For G&P I was thinking something like this. www.evike.com/products/23911/Since this would be for CQB I understand I would have to either short stroke the piston or replace the spring to get the velocity below 350 fps, but that is ok. For outdoor I have a Tokyo Marui M14 I'm working on. Ok that'll work. I was curious to see which variant you were looking at and if it was a U.S export version or not. They're the same but without authentic trades on the lower that you just have to buy from a oversees based retailer if you want them. You can always buy a lower with trades later too if you want them. |
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Post by Gimpalong on Jan 13, 2014 9:42:28 GMT -5
The U.S. export versions actually have, in my experience, a darker, basically black body. The Asian versions have a more gray-ish body. Evike seems to have started carrying trademarked versions of some of their rifles, but I can't really tell if they are just trademarked U.S. export versions with black bodies or the normal trademarked Asian versions that you can get from Ehobby, Airsoft Global, etc. For example on Evike, Trademarked G&P XM-177E2Trademarked G&P M16A1 - $250 Un-trademarked U.S. Export Version M16A1 - $224 The only bad thing I've got noticed about the 4 G&P rifles I've owned over the years is that the hop-ups don't seem to work very well out of the box. This is easy to sort out with an aftermarket bucking and nub. Basically, buy the gun, see if hop-up works to your satisfaction and if it doesn't just drop a new bucking/nub combo in and get back to playing. |
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Post by Gunny87 on Jan 13, 2014 10:16:51 GMT -5
Yeah Gimp, I ended up eating my own words after posting that because I went on Evike later that evening myself and noticed that they were selling in addition to the G&P MOE with Magpul trades, a G&P Troy, and the G&P Colt XM177E2. Good to see more coming stateside now. Still not as good as the ones you can get oversees but definitely better than before.
Out of the 3 G&Ps I had, only one of them did I use the stock hop up chamber, bucking and nub. My first one came with a Prommy Neo Strike hop up chamber. My G&P SR-15 that I bought from Ehobby had the stock G&P hop up that I didn't have any issues with, and my latest G&P has a Pro-win with aftermarket bucking and nub. But usually the worst is that the bucking and nub suck and like Gimp said can easily be changed for a low price.
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Post by Twisted on Jan 13, 2014 13:06:19 GMT -5
As I mentioned before, I was planning on doing an IR-hop anyway. I assume that it is only the trademarks that are nicer on the imports? I'd like to avoid the customs nightmare on a fully assembled AEG if I can. What do you think of this one? www.evike.com/products/35172/The upper receiver and the RIS are one piece. It's supposed to reduce front end wobble. Is that a problem with G&P? Is it worth the extra price ($384 vs $280) and lack of upper receiver compatibility? Also considering this: www.evike.com/products/40043/It says it's a G&P, but it also says it's by SOCOM Gear. What's up with that? |
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Post by MayhemXXXFrosty (AndrewMp5k) on Jan 13, 2014 16:44:47 GMT -5
I don't have any barrel wobble on my G&P, most metal bodied M4's don't (it's usually the plastic bodied or two piece outer barreled variants that do). I personally wouldn't want a one piece upper strictly because if you ever get bored and want to change the front end up you would have to buy a new upper receiver as well. Also if you break your front end in some way, the whole thing is shot.
As for the second one, I'd assume it's a mistype as it looks like a G&P, but I'm not sure. Possibly the title is just wrong.
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Post by Twisted on Jan 13, 2014 21:19:42 GMT -5
Ok, so I like the look of the Magpul MOE for $350 since it looks a bit different than the usual m4s: www.evike.com/products/33102/It looks like Magpul sells rail sections for the hand guard on their site for pretty cheap. Are RS Picatinny rail sections compatible? Anyone have any experience with the Magpul stuff? |
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