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Post by ~Ranger~ on Oct 4, 2013 7:15:26 GMT -5
I dont really see how it can be offencive. If anything it should be an honor cause they want to use that role as their impression. Airsoft is just a simulated war game, no different than playing a video game.
They are playing guns in the woods, and like a certain type of loadout, and what not.
Now, if them people were walking around town for shits and giggles wearing them I can see the problem. I grew up in a military household, and never heard them complain of seeing this. "I dont wear anything like that by the way" About 5 years ago I was in a walmart getting ammo before a game and someone approached me and said thank you. I was only wearing regular Bdu's and instantly told them I'm not in the military and let them know to next time look for patches and what not.
Camo isnt just for soldiers of course.. But since that day, I dont like to wear camo because of that exact situation... I kinda felt like an ass.
I dont even like to wear actual camo anymore, and would prefer to do a Pmc or Contractor loadout as to not confuse the average person I guess. I'm not playing Army, and dont need to dress like I am. I guess in a way I can see your point on being offended "Kinda" cause I was a roofer for 15 years and when some dude gets a roofing job, and didnt put in the time and calls himself a roofer I would probably let him know that he's nothing more than a laborer, and learning to roof I guess.
All in all, its just a game. No more than playing Call of Duty and selecting a certain loadout for the video game. Its all make believe!
Would someone get mad at the little kids at the park playing ninja? jumping around kicking one another? Would a real ninja get upset? I doubt he would do anything but smile and go on about his day thinking what he does is cool enough that he inspired someone else..
By the way; ranking systems in an airsoft team is stupid. 13 years ago we tried that and learned real fast.. What happens in a few years when everyone want to "rank up"? Your gonna have an entire team of Generals.
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Oct 4, 2013 8:01:38 GMT -5
Here's the army regulation on uniforms: www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r670_1.pdfMight be relevant and will tell you exactly how they feel: d. In accordance with chapter 45, section 771, title 10, United States Code (10 USC 771), no person except a member of the U.S. Army may wear the uniform, or a distinctive part of the uniform of the U.S. Army unless otherwise authorized by law. Additionally, no person except a member of the U.S. Army may wear a uniform, any part of which is similar to a distinctive part of the U.S. Army uniform. This includes the distinctive uniforms and uniform items listed in paragraph 1–12 of this regulation. Paragraph 1–12 goes on to define "Distinctive uniforms and uniform items:" a. The following uniform items are distinctive and will not be sold to or worn by unauthorized personnel: (1) All Army headgear, when worn with insignia. (2) Badges and tabs (identification, marksmanship, combat, and special skill). (3) Uniform buttons (U.S. Army or Corps of Engineers). (4) Decorations, service medals, service and training ribbons, and other awards and their appurtenances. (5) Insignia of any design or color that the Army has adopted.
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Post by ~Ranger~ on Oct 4, 2013 8:29:55 GMT -5
That made my head hurt haha.. So, does this mean were all breaking the law by wearing military based loadouts?
If someone to wear medals and such, I think they deserve a hardcore beat down. My grandfather was oldschool Navy, my two of my brothers were in the Army, one was a Ranger. My brother in law was Marines and most have become law enforcement .
I guess I never really looked at it in this way before.
Makes me wanna wear all OD green, or invent my own personal camo at this point haha..
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Oct 4, 2013 8:35:09 GMT -5
Yeah the part about just wearing the uniform in general confuses me because it seems like that is not acceptable either but its almost become an every day thing because people wear camo all the time. For sure though that wearing insignias is a big no-no. I'm sure someone with more knowledge on the subject could help fill in the blanks.
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Post by ~Ranger~ on Oct 4, 2013 8:49:06 GMT -5
I started taking the contractor/Pmc route due to this forum actually.. I wore Marpat "which is awesome by the way" and wore an OD green plate carrier and black boots and posted a pic of my loadout.
Yeah, to make a long story short I was ripped a new one by a ton of anal retentant dudes. Apparently if I'm going to wear Marpat, I MUST wear tan instead, cause thats what the Marines wear.
I think that a tan vest with Marpat looks stupid, and is less concealable when in the woods. I prefer green. So, now I wear all Od green if I can help it. ;-)
Not to mention it stops the average Joe from thanking me for my services.
I'm actually very glad I stumbled into this topic though... Kinda sheds some light and now I'm considering selling off my camo.
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Post by X on Oct 4, 2013 8:54:56 GMT -5
See that's just the thing I was talking about. There is no such thing as a software engineer. It's a made up title. The closest you get to that is computer engineering, which Gunny mentioned. Which is usually a dual degree between electrical engineer and computer science. It's not near as bad as other made up titles, such as sanitary engineer or domestic engineer. Engineering is one of the recognized professions, amongst doctors, architects, lawyers, nurses, clergymen, and a short list of others. It's the reason it is offensive when the title is thrown around loosely. I didn't really mean to stray this topic this far off course. I was only trying to say that I can understand military, and former military personnel's objection to the wearing of rank. I wasn't trying to sound all holier than thou, even though this post may come off as that. Honestly anyone that knows me personally knows that I'm not that way. I only followed up with this post since it was being talked about more and I just wanted to make my stance on it, and my reasons, a little more clear. After doing a little more research I think I agree with this person's comment... akfpartners.com/techblog/2009/07/24/no-such-thing-as-a-software-engineer/I don't think that a software engineer is truly a made up title. I'm not saying I'm a software engineer. I fit the title of computer programmer, but I don't think the generalization is accurate because there are disciplines within software development that require the same level of knowledge as traditional engineers. That level of knowledge would likely require a formal education so I will concede that the vast majority of software engineers would had to have gone through formal education. Sent from my XT1080 using proboards
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Post by blackhat on Oct 4, 2013 16:41:25 GMT -5
Not to sound like an ass, but all I was simply asking was "how do people feel about rank and insignia". Some of your post have left me speechless, I respect what each of you have chosen to do with your lives, but like I said..... After reading some post I agree, I can't tell others what to buy and wear, I was just looking for others opinions. I personally don't like wearing my acu's in public, and think that with common sense maybe you'd wear them once you got to the OP or field your playing at. I can't say I've gotten mad about someone's kit, that's up to you on what camo and vest you wear, I can't knock that. I haven't really said it, but I HATE when people wear rank or insignia, I personally know what it feels like to earn those ranks, and have lost a few great battle buddies that wore the same rank and insignia that some choose to wear. Hell when I played before I left, I wore my issued multicam but never wore any of my patches or insignia. That's my rant from my foxhole, until next time gents.
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Post by X on Oct 4, 2013 17:32:57 GMT -5
Not to sound like an ass, but all I was simply asking was "how do people feel about rank and insignia". Some of your post have left me speechless, I respect what each of you have chosen to do with your lives, but like I said..... I'm sorry I derailed your thread. I think the derailment has run it's course now. Sent from my XT1080 using proboards
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Post by ~Ranger~ on Oct 5, 2013 2:48:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry as well buddy.
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Post by snafu on Oct 5, 2013 8:40:59 GMT -5
I'm sorry for terribly derailing too. We've had a few of these threads that I can remember and the group consensus had always been greatly opposed to wearing military rank and unit patches.
After reading everyone's comments I'm more leaning toward it being acceptable for reenactment type loadouts. I really only think it would be acceptable it it's used on a perfect impression for a certain time period and battle. And for anything post Cold War era I think its maybe too soon. But if someone does an absolute perfect impression and doesn't claim to be something they're not I think it's a was to show much respect for our war heros.
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Post by Thor on Oct 5, 2013 23:27:27 GMT -5
As far as it being acceptable for reenactment, that for me would entail an airsoft game that only allowed period correct weapons, uniforms, and gear. It would also have to be designed around a specific battle, which means that it would be so heavily scripted that one side would already be known to be the winner beforehand. If it doesn't fit those strict criteria, it's not a reenactment, and I can't abide someone wearing rank they didn't earn. On the flip side, that would make for a pretty boring airsoft game as well. Think about actual reenactors. Generally, they are going to reenact battles where the "good guys" win. For the Civil War, that means battles that ended in a Northern victory around here. For WWII, that means Allied victories. Now, you still need people on the losing side, so those are going to be people that do it for the love of reenacting and history. How many of you would want to go to the effort of obtaining all period correct gear and reenacting WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc? I bet all of you would be buying US gear, because you'd want to be on the winning side. Well that's going to be pretty boring when there's no one to actually fight.
My point is, what reason would any of us have to actually wear rank or insignia patches you didn't earn. You might try to say it's for authenticity of a loadout, to which I say, bullshit. Most of you don't have enough of a critical eye to recognize what makes an authentic US military loadout. I'm sorry, you just don't. There are probably less than a dozen people on here that do, and most of them are guys on my team. It takes a massive amount of time and interest to study the minutiae of what makes a loadout from 2004 different from 2008. I've put together kits before that were close, but even then I was taking my lead from the other guys on my team who really know their stuff.
So long story short, just don't wear rank or insignia you didn't earn. There's no necessary reason for it. No one is going to respect you more on the field because you have on captain's bars and a Ranger tab. Probably quite the opposite unless you're actually a captain in a Ranger battalion. If you really want some rockers on your arm velcro, go nuts with all the morale patch ones. I don't think anyone will give you shit for that.
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Post by NotTroub on Oct 8, 2013 20:37:40 GMT -5
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Post by Ogre on Oct 9, 2013 5:48:48 GMT -5
I started taking the contractor/Pmc route due to this forum actually.. I wore Marpat "which is awesome by the way" and wore an OD green plate carrier and black boots and posted a pic of my loadout. Yeah, to make a long story short I was ripped a new one by a ton of anal retentant dudes. Apparently if I'm going to wear Marpat, I MUST wear tan instead, cause thats what the Marines wear. Whoever told you not to wear OD gear because "that's what the Marines wear" had no clue what they were talking about. Marines wear Coyote Brown gear, before that their gear was Marpat as well.
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Post by ~Ranger~ on Oct 9, 2013 8:28:57 GMT -5
If you re read all that, you will see that you misread what was said.
I was ripped a new one for wearing OD green, cause Marines wear tan I said. "coyote brown/tan" same thing.
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Post by Ogre on Oct 9, 2013 10:39:13 GMT -5
If you re read all that, you will see that you misread what was said. I was ripped a new one for wearing OD green, cause Marines wear tan I said. "coyote brown/tan" same thing. I thought there was a diffrence between Tan and Coyete brown. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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