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Post by airsoftmarine7 on Jun 1, 2012 9:40:27 GMT -5
www.airsoft-barracks.com/forums/topic/26520-vfc-hk-iarm27/VFC is now making an M27 so once it's released I'm sure they will start showing up at games. With that said, I think there should become a set rule for them, which the other posts I've read on here never set. Going by what has been said in those posts, my personal opinion is that It would be fair to allow them to carry as much ammo as a SAW gunner, but only in midcaps.
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Post by Pagan on Jun 1, 2012 9:47:46 GMT -5
www.airsoft-barracks.com/forums/topic/26520-vfc-hk-iarm27/VFC is now making an M27 so once it's released I'm sure they will start showing up at games. With that said, I think there should become a set rule for them, which the other posts I've read on here never set. Going by what has been said in those posts, my personal opinion is that It would be fair to allow them to carry as much ammo as a SAW gunner, but only in midcaps. It's kind of hard for MIA to set any rules on this, as something like this would be up to the host's discretion. If I remember correctly when Decon had his, the events he attended aloud him to run his surefire mag replicas, as long as he stayed within the SAW gunner ammo limits. |
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Post by sargottel on Jun 1, 2012 9:56:55 GMT -5
From what I've read the guys running these things are expected to carry upwards of 22 mags.
I say let people carry a ton of mid caps and get really good at mag changes.
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Post by Pagan on Jun 1, 2012 10:02:53 GMT -5
From what I've read the guys running these things are expected to carry upwards of 22 mags, so I say let people carry a ton of mid caps and get really good at mag changes. That many mid caps (unless they were 30rnd real caps) would put someone at the 1650-2640rnd level. That's in the normal SAW gunner ammo limit. I don't think letting someone use 2-3 of the surefire mags would be all that much different. They would still be FAR above the normal rifleman ammo cap, and it's not like they are using a box mag or c-mag with 2500+ rounds with out having to change mags. |
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Post by Knief on Jun 1, 2012 10:13:50 GMT -5
Ah, but it would necessitate mag changing, which is sort of the point of the "no hicap" rule in the first place. I don't know much about the real M27. Is is often fed using a C-mag or other higher capacity mag, or do its operators stick to the same 30 rounders that everybody else carries?
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Post by Fission on Jun 1, 2012 10:13:54 GMT -5
From the very little i just picked up about how the real firearm is to be employed/works, I think a lot of mid-caps and mag changes would be most realistic use of these. The real operators typically can carry 22 30rnd magazines, which equals the ammunition capacity as a belt fed M249, but obviously in a much different configuration. The program operators admit that suppressing fire capabilities are diminished with the new platform compared to the 249 due to mag changes, but feel the accuracy and maneuverability, and familiarity of the new weapon system make it a good choice. Also they believe the flexibility of the new platform is an added benefit. Meaning, the operators can choose to bring a 22 magazine "full loadout" or reduce the amount of ammunition depending on individual operation requirements.
To get them into more of a traditional support/SAW position 1-2 hi-caps would work. Again I agree with Pagan, where it will be up to the individual host. If they accept box mags, maybe certain hosts will allow it, maybe others will allow hi-caps and others still will make them run mid caps but allow them to carry a lot of them. I think the gun looks nice, and should be a pretty interesting addition.
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Post by Pagan on Jun 1, 2012 10:22:02 GMT -5
Ah, but it would necessitate mag changing, which is sort of the point of the "no hicap" rule in the first place. I don't know much about the real M27. Is is often fed using a C-mag or other higher capacity mag, or do its operators stick to the same 30 rounders that everybody else carries? It runs normal or the extended surefire mags. Personally as a host, I would allow either numerous mid caps, or 2 maybe 3 surefire replicas at max. I would never let it run with a box mag at a Milsim or Scen game. In the end it would depend on how the host wanted to categorize the weapon. If they allow it as a support rifle, then how ever the user wanted to reach their ammo limit( as long as it was in a magazine type that the weapon actually uses) it should be ok. Someone wanting to run normal hi cap M4 mags would be SOL, since it doesn't work that way with the real thing. The surefire mags, are at least an attempt to replicate the magazines actually used by the real rifle. Now if they would make 150-250rnd surefire replicas, that would be the best of both worlds. |
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Post by sargottel on Jun 1, 2012 10:23:55 GMT -5
Fish I once saw someone trying to do an impression of the M27 with a 416; he had a C-mag on it and it looked sillier than they normally do on ARs.
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Post by Gunny87 on Jun 1, 2012 11:54:04 GMT -5
Yeah as stated it will be up to the even host's discretion.
However as long as people use mids or the surefire mags then more it's realistic to using a box mag on it. Since in reality they're using either the 60rd Surefire mags or standard magazines.
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Post by deacon on Jun 1, 2012 15:32:10 GMT -5
www.airsoft-barracks.com/forums/topic/26520-vfc-hk-iarm27/VFC is now making an M27 so once it's released I'm sure they will start showing up at games. With that said, I think there should become a set rule for them, which the other posts I've read on here never set. Going by what has been said in those posts, my personal opinion is that It would be fair to allow them to carry as much ammo as a SAW gunner, but only in midcaps. It's kind of hard for MIA to set any rules on this, as something like this would be up to the host's discretion. If I remember correctly when Decon had his, the events he attended aloud him to run his surefire mag replicas, as long as he stayed within the SAW gunner ammo limits. And I ended up running Mid-Caps. A M27 is basically a fully automatic rifle with an open bolt. Nothing more, Nothing less. |
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Post by Da Vinci - Да Винчи on Jun 1, 2012 15:41:41 GMT -5
Why not put mid-cap (80-150ish round) internals into a hi-cap surefire replica shell and call it a day?
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Post by Dahm on Jun 1, 2012 17:23:55 GMT -5
Why not put mid-cap (80-150ish round) internals into a hi-cap surefire replica shell and call it a day? Because the Surefire 60 round mags aren't even normally used by M27 operators in the real world. If you did what you suggested, you would be getting low capacity with no realism and it would completely defeat both the purposes of running a high-profile high capacity magazine, with the lower capacity of a standard/mid-cap. You might want to go back and read for full understanding. |
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Post by Grizzly on Jun 1, 2012 18:43:15 GMT -5
I feel as though this will be a rifle powered by a V2 gearbox with a high-speed motor. In other words, a dressed-up M4. Even in real life it's basically a rifle that fires from an open bolt, as someone said before. Since it's not a "true" machine gun, I can only see it being classified as a rifle and therefore subject to rifleman rules. One of the characteristics of a machine gun is that it is belt fed, whereas this is magazine fed, a characteristic of an automatic rifle, such as a BAR, which if I were in charge of the rules, would also be classified as a rifle, considering the BAR's original purpose of clearing trenches.
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Post by Relarz on Jun 3, 2012 11:31:07 GMT -5
Isn't the real one only allowed to use USGI STANAGs anyway?
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Post by deacon on Jun 3, 2012 12:58:00 GMT -5
Isn't the real one only allowed to use USGI STANAGs anyway? Yes. There are several high capacity magazines in testing but nothing is official outside of Stanag. |
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