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Post by justified on Jan 24, 2012 21:02:34 GMT -5
I also have trouble with my parents. I tell them nothing and when it's something small I ask them for a check so when my collection grows they don't realize it since they keep giving me checks.
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Post by a1 (Babez) on Jan 24, 2012 21:33:16 GMT -5
I can't stress this enough; emphasize eye protection.
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Post by Dev on Jan 24, 2012 22:00:56 GMT -5
I also have trouble with my parents. I tell them nothing and when it's something small I ask them for a check so when my collection grows they don't realize it since they keep giving me checks. This comment does wonders for my impression of you. Not only is that immoral, especially since they're your parents, but it's just an all around dick move and makes you sound like you're 12. That sort of post is why you have -63 karma. -Dan
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Post by helmet on Jan 25, 2012 9:47:55 GMT -5
I didn't start playing airsoft until years after I moved out and was on my own. But I do know that the majority of parents I've talked to at games were there because they were asked to come watch from their child. Every conversation I've had with a parent has been about all of airsoft in general; the rules, game and gun types, and tactical equipment...and they really seem to get into it.
So I guess my advice is the same as everyone else's, just bring one or both of your parents out to a game and let them interact with people, watch what's going on, and get an overall feel for what airsoft really is.
And justified, really man? Don't be ripping your parents off like that, it's not cool.
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Post by Mles on Jan 25, 2012 11:55:54 GMT -5
Tell them it is better than selling drugs or going to orgies.
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Post by Myers on Jan 25, 2012 12:04:51 GMT -5
Tell them it is better than selling drugs or going to orgies. Lies.
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Post by Carnage on Jan 25, 2012 12:18:25 GMT -5
Win^^^
My parents are somewhat supportive of my interest in airsoft. They know it's better than drugs, and such, but think it's weird that I spend all of my spendable money on it. But as now, airsoft is my #1 hobby and sport. It has replaced video games and football. So for some reason, whenever I want to buy another gun (mainly an SMG to LMG in size), my mom especially, says no. But come on, I don't want one primary for all events. However, I have been known to pick up on an interest and drop it a month or so later. However, I've been playing airsoft since last year. So hopefully things will change. I also haven't brought them to a game yet.
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Post by justified on Jan 25, 2012 20:58:55 GMT -5
I also have trouble with my parents. I tell them nothing and when it's something small I ask them for a check so when my collection grows they don't realize it since they keep giving me checks. This comment does wonders for my impression of you. Not only is that immoral, especially since they're your parents, but it's just an all around dick move and makes you sound like you're 12. That sort of post is why you have -63 karma. -Dan How is it immoral? I buy things on the side but ask them for checks and pay them for the checks. Also karma means nothing on these boards. I don't tell them what I buy because it leads to struggles. All I do is ask for checks when things have to be shipped but make purchases at events and not tell them? I'm funding myself?
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Post by BoredKender on Jan 25, 2012 21:46:24 GMT -5
Morals are a personal decision/process. Telling someone that something they do is immoral is just ignorant; theirs may not be the same as yours.
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Post by Alex-(BM_5) on Jan 25, 2012 21:48:24 GMT -5
No fighting please.
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Post by M.S.-ARC on Jan 25, 2012 21:52:24 GMT -5
There are typically two different seasons for airsoft in Michigan.
Warm: We get our aggressions out on the field.
Cold: We get our aggressions out online.
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Post by Alex-(BM_5) on Jan 25, 2012 21:54:47 GMT -5
There are typically two different seasons for airsoft in Michigan. Warm: We get our aggressions out on the field. Cold: We get our aggressions out online. That makes sense, explains the forums lately.
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Post by Knief on Jan 25, 2012 22:47:26 GMT -5
It's a regular cycle. It's usually over politics, but we're low on liberal members and I'm too busy to pick fights.
I am going to steer this off topic for just a second because Kender expressed an idea that drives me absolutely up the wall.
It's late, I just got done with a 15 hour work/class day and I don't have time for one of my trademark 1500 word essays. Short answer is: It turns out that moral relativism (the idea that morals are either determined on a personal level or cultural level or whatever rather than being some level of absolute) is bullshit. Most of the time, relativism confuses morality with expressions of morality. Two different cultures who exist in different environments may (when you look at it anthropologically, they pretty much all do) share the exact same fundamental moral tenets, but because if their different circumstances, they express them differently.
If relativism doesn't allow us to judge morality across individuals or cultures, it also doesn't allow us to judge across history. In that case, slave owners weren't morally wrong for owning, trading and abusing people, their morals were OK and just different from ours. The mass genocide that's occurred on every continent on this planet that isn't a frozen wasteland isn't morally wrong, it's different morality. On an individual level, relativism would eliminate a need to respect the rights of others, all but eliminating the concept entirely.
It turns out that throughout history, just about every culture ever has held to and expressed just about the exact same set of morals. No killing, lying, or stealing from other people* are the big three, but there are others. It turns out that without those three, societies can't really function. You can't conduct business (be it selling high tech products or trading sheep for grain) if you don't expect a reasonable protection from being killed, forcibly stolen from, or hoodwinked.
*Defining people here is usually where morality breaks down and where moral progress really shows the difference between morally progressive cultures and morally corrupt cultures. In American history, the majority sentiment was that blacks weren't really quite people and thus didn't fall into the category to whom white folk applied their moral duties. Progress is that no the majority sentiment is we treat almost all minorities as people.
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Post by Tank on Jan 25, 2012 22:47:46 GMT -5
I really feel for anyone that has to convince their parents that airsoft isn't just a bunch of wack jobs running around on the woods trying to KILL each other. I do agree that the best thing you can do is to get your parents out to a game so they can witness it for themselves. I do have to say that I've heard a bit of language at the events, at times, that would cause a parent to be reluctant to have their kid subjected to. I've also seen a lot of guys helping younger players out with their gear and have never witnessed anything even close to resembling the beginning stages of a fight at an event. I can't say the same for when I use to play paintball. I stumbled upon a thread, on here, about what people do for a living. I found it quite interesting. It might also help. I myself have a BS in Electrical Engineering, and have worked in the field for 13 years. No Limits is a family owned/operated field and would be one of the safer events to bring them to. I just talked to a father and son at a local airsoft store the other day, and directed the dad to these forums, and our upcoming game. On another note. You can't conduct business (be it selling high tech products or trading sheep for grain) if you don't expect a reasonable protection from being killed, forcibly stolen from, or hoodwinked. Interesting court decision I recently heard about in a DC case, where the Supreme Court ruled that the police are not bound by any obligation to come to your aid, even if they indicate an officer is on their way to you. Was quite enlightening, also further confirmed my choice in getting a CPL.
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Post by Krutch on Jan 25, 2012 23:10:31 GMT -5
I do have to say that I've heard a bit of language at the events, at times, that would cause a parent to be reluctant to have their kid subjected to. That is very true, Im fine with a little profanity, but at some events people just start spewing it way too excessively and my parents would not appreciate it. Plus with having parents like mine, it makes editing helmet cam footage a pain.
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