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Post by fuzzywolly on Jun 25, 2011 22:53:07 GMT -5
Thought I would post up a few things after fiddling with the new pistol for a little while. 1. Obviously, the plastic slide is nothing to write home about. It feels cheap, but as long as it performs good, that is all that matters. My goal is to run this babe until she dies, which hopefully will take quite a while. With that said, I always like to be prepared, and thought I would ask a few questions for you GBB experts, AKA miles. --If I were to get a new *metal* slide, would it be recommended to get a new outer barrel as well? My thought is that the metal slide will rub on the plastic outer barrel causing it to wear down. Just a thought, and wanted to see what you or anyone else had to say pertaining to that. --Any slides in particular that you recommend? I saw some nice guarder slides, but the "modification may be required" part seems a little shady.. 2. The mags leak. Not a big suprise/deal as it is a common problem and I have had basically every mag in my possession leak almost instantly. It seems that the mags are missing the smalllll o-ring that is on the valve that touches the propane adapter when you go to fill it up with gas. Gas literally spews everywhere instantly. To fix this, I dug up some moondog o-rings and tried fitting one in the valve. It ripped, like all the other ones I had did, but was still able to stick her in there nice and snug. No more leak and spewage everywhere, and the ring, despite being broken, does its job nice. I also dug up another o-ring for the rod that goes up into the mag (the one with the allen wrench head on the bottom of the mag that sticks out and must be removed to take apart mag). I snapped one on there, and that will help keep gas from sneaking out of there. The mag is sensitive when being filled, but by being careful, I can get a mag filled with no leaks/no problems. Still need to work on mag number two, and have to make a trip to Lowe's for another o-ring for the allen wrench rod piece (my vocab is lacking). With that said, the few test shots I did get off were some fun. The kick and sound is amazing, and is like nothing I have shot before. The slide pulls back smooth, and everything is crisp, clean, etc. No jams, or anything that makes me want to go "sigh, there goes my money." I truly love this GBB so far, and have much plans for it in the future. I will get some pics up shortly of the mods for the mags and will let you know how things go. So stay tuned! PS: Orange needs to go, will get rid of that shortly.
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Post by Mles on Jun 26, 2011 22:37:22 GMT -5
Alright here we go, I'll try to answer your questions the best I can.
1. To be honest, don't buy a metal slide for a TM if you are skirmishing. The more weight you add, the worse your pistol will perform. Yes, recoil springs will help your pistol cycle with a metal slide, but you will far less shots off with a magazine. Stock TM 1911 slides should handle green gas quite nicely and there is no real reason for a skirmish-minder airsofter to get a metal slide for a TM 1911. Although, if you are like me, metal is just a personal must. I am not a big fan of Guarder kits. They require a lot of fitting and the quality is just not up there. Shooter's Design makes excellent slides. If you want a full kit, which I suggest, get a PGC or Nova. These kits are top of the line. Fitting will almost always be required, so be prepared.
2. Buy new fill valves and O-rings. Loctite/Teflon tape mod the valves. You should be set. If this doesn't work, buy new magazines. I have no idea what Moondog o-rings are. TM magazines always seem to be very "sensitive". It is usually because most propane adapters do not get a solid seal on the fill valve, and in addition the silent fill mechanism can cause complications.
I would like to you get a PGC kit and work on building up the pistol from there. Upgrade part by part until you have a smooth, reliable and consistent cycle.
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Post by fuzzywolly on Jun 27, 2011 16:48:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply, helped a ton!
I will stick with the plastic slide until it dies. From what it sounds like, that should be quite some time. I don't exactly fire off a ton of rounds every day, even during a game.
I will look into the Shooter Design slides and check them out.
As for the valves and o-rings. The moondog o-rings were the replacements for the fill valves, and are thicker and "higher" quality then the regular rings. But since my mags have no fill valve rings, I had to use the moondog's right off the bat. They have not helped the problem much at all.
I literally waste a TON of gas just trying to fill a mag. It takes a good 15 seconds to get a solid fill. By then, much gas is wasted. I will be purchasing some new fill valves shortly. Your mods to wonders, and even though my TM mags do not leak (once propane gets into the mag), I will have these mods done for better seal.
I'll get some updates here shortly. I am assuming TM mags do not require as much difficulty to load with gas as what is happening with me?
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Post by Knief on Jun 27, 2011 19:22:19 GMT -5
You know, most gas guns blow out gas when you fill them. It's not a leak, it's just how they're designed. The o-ring seal outside of the fill valve is a relatively recent implementation (and mostly by lower end companies like WE and KJW), and not used even my most of the top end brands. You shouldn't be alarmed by it. When you start filling them, try altering the angle between the gas can and the mag to get the best fit. Then when it's full, it'll start blowing out noticeably more gas than when it's just filling. It shouldn't take more than 5-7 seconds to fill a mag.
You're not really losing a lot of gas with it, since it's just vapor coming out. Propane (and green gas, and HFC 134a, and any other pressurized propellant) is liquid in the can and in the mag. When you fill, you're essentially dumping that pressurized liquid from the can into the mag until the pressure equalizes. What you lose at the seal between the can and mag is just some vapor spurting out from an imperfect seal. But you're not pouring out much in the way of actual volume. It just looks that way because the liquid expands when it's released into the air.
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Post by Thor on Jun 27, 2011 19:24:09 GMT -5
I actually prefer mags that vent gas back at you when they're full. Otherwise I'm always paranoid that they're not all the way full.
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Post by Knief on Jun 27, 2011 19:26:09 GMT -5
I'm with Thor. I prefer it too, and for the same reason.
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Post by fuzzywolly on Jun 27, 2011 21:50:45 GMT -5
The problem with mine though are the fact that it does it immediately when I place the adapter into the mag. And it comes flying out. I froze part of my hand because it basically exploded on me (first time when I went to fill). Not just a little gas, but huge cloud of what can compared to dust kicking up in the air everywhere (bad analogy ). However, I will try altering the angle a little bit, but it is an extreme hassle to fill these mags. I am not exactly new to GBB's and filling them up, but perhaps the different position and angle when filling will help. But I am still weary as the propane explodes on me instantly, not after the mags are close to being full. That and even after a battle for filling the mag, sometimes the gas inside is only good for around 6 shots or so.
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Post by Knief on Jun 28, 2011 5:38:06 GMT -5
Try pushing harder. If it's spilling out the way you've described, and if it takes 15 seconds to fill a mag, then you're not opening the valve as much as you should be. Push harder and play with the angle and you should be good.
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Post by fuzzywolly on Jun 28, 2011 7:29:43 GMT -5
Try pushing harder. If it's spilling out the way you've described, and if it takes 15 seconds to fill a mag, then you're not opening the valve as much as you should be. Push harder and play with the angle and you should be good. I'll give it a try tonight when I get home. Thanks for the tips. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
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Post by snafu on Jun 28, 2011 15:13:00 GMT -5
Push harder and play with the angle and you should be good. I I have nothing else to say'd. ;D
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Post by fuzzywolly on Jun 29, 2011 16:20:44 GMT -5
After some fiddling, etc, I was able to get the mags filled up without the major gas spew problem. Thanks to Knief, I saved myself from buying new valves. These mags were a little more difficult to fill and required a bit more pressure than I was used to. Having the fear of adding pressure resulting in a frozen hand, I was not putting enough force into the filling.
So basically, just needed to push hard and quick.
Thanks fellas, will post an update or two as I go along. Perhaps some target results in the future, new pics, etc.
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Post by fuzzywolly on Jun 29, 2011 19:17:28 GMT -5
Double post, wasn't sure if I should edit: Hopefully this post was worth it. I was working on my mags and thought I would write something up for them. I do this to all my mags, whether they are currently leaking or not. Credit for the majority of this modding process goes to Miles on MIA. I decided to make a guide, as these tricks truly do work.
Thank you Miles. Gathering the materials:-Flat head screw driver -White Lithium Grease -Blue Loctite -Teflon tape (seal tape) -Allen wrench or phillips head screw driver depending on what kind of mag you are dealing with -Some spare o-rings of various sizes (pictured is only small rings as I did not need any bigger ones. You only need new rings if your old ones ripped or are dried out. -The mag -Some time In this guide, used is a TM MEU 1911 mag Step 1: -First you need to dissemble the mag. Check out youtbue or google for some good references/guides to take down your mag. If you are taking down the TM MEU mags, then you are in look, just stay tuned. Step 2:-Most mags have a rod that is screwed into the threads inside of the mag. This keeps the magazine bottom (base plate and valve in place). The TM MEU does not come with an o-ring on this rod. Some mags do, such as the HFC G17 (dark hawk) mags. While the TM MEU's typically do not leak from here, applying an o-ring would not hurt. These o-rings can be had at any hard ware store. They are cheap, so buy a few different sizes and see what works best for you. Next, apply some white lithium grease to the o-ring. Will help with sealing in case any propane slips past the seals on the o-ring. Step 3:The rod has threads at the very top, so to make sure nothing leaks around, apply some blue loctite to the threads. This will ensure that it stays in there nice and tight, and does not allow any propane to sneak around. This helps with sealing everything up. Once you have done that, wrap some teflon tape around the blue loctite on the threads. Wrap it TIGHT so that it stays on and does not come off when you tighten the rods into the threads later on. Step 4: Take off the base plate bottom piece by poking out the small cylinder pieces. This will make it easier for the following process. Now you need to remove the FILL valve from the base plate of the magazine. To do this, use a flat head screw driver. Slowly twist it off. No need to rush and start breaking anything. Once the valve is removed, apply some blue loctite to the threads. This is the same process as with the metal rod. After that, add some teflon tape by wrapping it around tightly. Now take the valve and replace it into the designated area. Use the flat head screw driver again. You are almost finished, just need to do one more basic and easy thing. Step 5:
There is a large o-ring located here: Apply some white lithium grease. This helps seal the cracks (if any) and prevents propane from sneaking on by and coming out of the base plate of the mag. I do this to my mags, even if the o-ring is nice and tight. This ensures a proper seal. The White lithium grease WILL NOT harm the rings. It has been tested by me over an extensive period of time. Keep in mind, this is WHITE lithium grease. Now assemble the mag, and let everything sit for roughly three days. Then your mags are ready to rock, nice and sealed up, and are ready to take a beating from that nasty propane, as well as the little less nasty/bad smelling green gas.
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Post by Mles on Jun 29, 2011 21:30:20 GMT -5
Not to mention this seals them up for a long time. Great guide man, good pictures, makes me want to redo mine with a better camera.
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Post by fuzzywolly on Jun 29, 2011 22:12:31 GMT -5
Not to mention this seals them up for a long time. Great guide man, good pictures, makes me want to redo mine with a better camera. Good point Also, I used your guide as a base when I took apart my first mag. I owe this all to you though, these mods are like no other that I have done.
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Post by Mles on Jul 1, 2011 13:54:14 GMT -5
And feel free to add this to my sticky thread, and I'll also change the title of it.
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