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Post by Alcpwn3d on May 16, 2011 22:15:45 GMT -5
Hey, I'm new to EAGs, I have a kind of crappy double eagle m83 (I shortened the barrel and took off the forward sights for a more mk18 cqbr look) and I'm looking to get a new one. I like the way mk18's look, and I want to get this one. www.airrattle.com/JG_V3_Enhanced_M4_CQB_R_AEG_Metal_M_16_Airsoft_Gun_p/F6624.htmI would however like an experienced opinion on this type of gun. How is the accuracy? And are they easy to modify? Thanks
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Kulprit
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17 hours!? We arent gonna last 17 minutes! There is FAH out there! Game over man! Game over!
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Post by Kulprit on May 17, 2011 9:49:00 GMT -5
The JG, AEG in question states that it is CQBR. Problem is that a gun that shoots at that velocity will not be allowed anywhere near a CQB facility.
On another note, I would not trust this retailer. Not only have they implied that you can upgrade it to over 600fps, they tell you TM has inferior quality...
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Post by BoredKender on May 17, 2011 12:22:38 GMT -5
I agree with Kulprit about the web site. The first step of customer satisfaction is having a smooth, maintained website. I can tell you just off that link alone that almost none of the information about the replica will be accurate. I tried loading the page to see how many faults there were in the description, but in today's age any website that takes more than 5 seconds (waited 1.5 minutes) to load is not going to get my money.
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Post by Ghast on May 17, 2011 12:47:24 GMT -5
V3 gearbox, whut?
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Post by Alcpwn3d on May 17, 2011 13:40:01 GMT -5
So not this retailer, and if I want to use it in CQBs than something around 300 fps flat, got it. Thanks all
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Post by BoredKender on May 17, 2011 17:33:29 GMT -5
Ghat- I am HOPING it meant Version 3 as in product line, not gearbox type.
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Kulprit
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17 hours!? We arent gonna last 17 minutes! There is FAH out there! Game over man! Game over!
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Post by Kulprit on May 18, 2011 7:39:28 GMT -5
Kender- My EVO loaded the page in about a second...
Jett- You can have a AEG with a velocity up to 350fps for CQB. I'm not sure whereabouts you live, but you should hit up a Youngs in Kzoo or Grand Rapids. Not only will they help you pick a quality AEG in your price range, but they have internals to custom tailor your rifle to you needs.
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Post by num1executioner on May 18, 2011 11:56:46 GMT -5
I was just wondering why Dboys was in the title and now where talking about JG? Anyways I own a DBoys m4 s system and I can say I like it. Most people will say they don't like it cause its a clone or internals but I believe its not gun its how you treat it. People like to mod theirs and nodding sometimes can be a bad idea. But back to Dboys its a overall good gun in my opioion.
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Post by BoredKender on May 18, 2011 12:21:42 GMT -5
Wow, you're right. How can SO MANY of us long time playing veterans have been so wrong? Crappy pot-metal internals will be just fine if you leave them alone. There is no reason to upgrade to stronger gearsets, gearboxes, and better wiring! We must have just been doing something very wrong for us all to have had ours NEED to be upgraded after taking catastrophic shits on us in the field. There is no such thing as lemon rate, just user error. Precautionary upgrades based on past experience... that's for wussies.
Thank you for pointing this out to us. I am sure we are all better airsofters for it.
On a serious note, your post was not related to the thread in the slightest. I know every manufacturer will have their fan boys, but if your "experience" does not pertain to the actual discussion at hand, please hold off for a more appropriate thread.
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Post by Knief on May 18, 2011 13:07:59 GMT -5
To answer your first question, the reason we're talking about JG guns is because the link in the original post is to a JG gun, not a Dboys gun. So we're discussing the actual gun the OP was interested in, rather than what he mistakenly called it in the title.
Kender, though a little harsh, hit the nail on the head with his assessment of your post. It's great that you've had a positive experience with a particular brand of gun. But discounting all of the reports of catastrophic failure, many of which are from veteran players who know more than either of us about AEG internals, because your one singular gun hasn't had a problem yet is intentional ignorance. And chalking all of it up to user error is insulting to the people who have had their Dboys guns fail.
Hang out at the chrono station of a major event some time and watch which guns can't spit out a bb for a reading. I've run chrono stations at events for years, and the guns that routinely fail to shoot are clones. Not every clone chokes, and not every high end gun shoots every time. But by and large, it's the clones that break down on game day, while the guys running TMs, G&Gs, G&Ps, KWAs and the like keep playing. It's not brand or price elitism, it's simple observation.
[edit] Let me put it a different way. These days, you've got to spend somewhere in the neighborhood of $300-350 to get a quality gun to your door. Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less. For a clone, you're looking at more like $175-225. That's a price difference of over $100 on average. I don't know if you think the veteran players have money to burn, but to me, no amount of elitism is worth over $100 per AEG (even more so when you own multiple AEGs). The reason why we continue to buy the more expensive guns isn't because of the badge. We buy them because they perform better for longer than the clones. By the time you've upgraded a clone to shoot as accurately and as reliably as a higher end gun, you've more than made up the difference between that clone and a G&G or KWA. The difference is, that G&G was ready to play with as soon as it showed up on your door step. The clone takes hours of work before it's up to snuff.
If after years of playing with and against clones demonstrated that they were every bit as good as their more expensive counterparts, you better believe we'd all be sporting Echo1s and Cymas. But that's not the case, so more often than not we choose to spend more money for a superior product.
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Post by num1executioner on May 18, 2011 13:56:27 GMT -5
Ok if we are talking about JG then it should be in the headlines not another brand like Dboys
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Post by Andrew on May 18, 2011 13:58:50 GMT -5
You just used two sentences to say the same thing.
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Post by Alcpwn3d on Dec 1, 2011 21:54:40 GMT -5
Old thread, i know. I just wanted to clarify, v3 gearbox meant version 3, they are slimmer and easier to remove from the AR 15 lower receivers than v2 gearboxes. My friend told me to look for them as he prefers v3 to v2. Here is an article: oifveteran.hubpages.com/hub/Airsoft-Gearboxes-version-2-vs-version-3Sorry for the misunderstanding in the title as well.
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Post by Knief on Dec 1, 2011 22:02:49 GMT -5
That's so so wrong. A version 3 gearbox won't fit into an AR body. All ARs built on the TM gearbox use a V2 box (ICS's split box withstanding). The V3 box has a different shape so it fits into differently shaped receivers like the AK line and the various Augs. The V.3 mentioned in that product description probably means something more like "third generation," as in the third iteration of JG's V2 style gearbox.
This is the key line from your last link:
"While it is important to understand that gearbox version denotes design, different guns take different shapes of gearbox versions."
What they're saying is that if a gun fits a V2 gearbox, then it only fits a V2 gearbox and won't fit a V3 gearbox. And if a gun fits a V3 gearbox, then it only fits a V3 gearbox and won't fit a V2 gearbox. ARs are designed to use a V2 gearbox, and will not fit any V3 gearbox without some very heavy (and pointless) modification. In fact, that modification would be so involved and so pointless that I've never seen or heard of anybody even attempting it.
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Post by TheEnd on Dec 1, 2011 23:27:52 GMT -5
A long time ago I wondered if a V3 would fit in an M4 using the adapter plate from an MP5K. Long story short, impossible.
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