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Post by oldmanjay on Oct 8, 2010 16:01:56 GMT -5
Looking at starting an airsoft club and would like to gage the interest. This would be a private club with a lounge, an indoor playing field, work bench area, meeting rooms, and memberships. This club would be located in Macomb county near hall rd. There would be a fee per month to join but you could use the field whenever. This is what i have broken down so far.
Basic MEMBERSHIP: 20.00 (Day pass)
This gives you access to the facility for the day of the payment. You can play on the field, use the work bench area, and access to our retail store.
Gold MEMBERSHIP: 50.00 month
This gives you a month of unlimited access to the facility,the field the work area, our retail store, and the lounge.
Platinum MEMBERSHIP: 100.00 month
This gives you a month of unlimited access to the facility, the field, the work area, our retail store (were you will receive at cost pricing), the lounge, special rates at the outdoor field that Phoenix runs, and 3 free day passes for your friends to come and play, and special rate for private party field rental.
This is what we were going for. We have a building we can use for it. It is a little small (6000sq) but has the option to have two floors to play on. Send me a pm if you are interested or post here.
This field is not open and is only in the though process.
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Post by glassarchitect on Oct 8, 2010 16:22:30 GMT -5
What about a yearly rate for the gold/platinum memberships?
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Post by oldmanjay on Oct 8, 2010 16:28:19 GMT -5
We could do that. This is really in the planning stage. I have people that are interested that want to back it so it could become reality. Thats why I'm posting this to see if it would be worth it. We could have it up and running in a month if there is enough interest
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Post by sauron212 on Oct 8, 2010 19:47:13 GMT -5
Totally in, that would be so much closer than any off the other cqb faculties. Prices may be a little steep, for some, but with our being so close to me its worth it..
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Post by hightech1011 on Oct 8, 2010 21:03:29 GMT -5
PM Sent
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Post by exigent99 on Oct 8, 2010 21:47:05 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there....
Chances are, the main draw of this will be the indoor field. Of course the benches, lounge, and store will be a nice bonus, but the main attraction is the field. Now, if I was going to pay money to have access to the facility anytime during the month (or a day), the main point would be using the field, and to use the field, you need people. It sounds like the way you are going now, each person that uses the facility would have to pay, but that doesn't seem much different from just a regular field.
I guess what I'm getting at is, I don't see the point of paying to have "unlimited access" to the facility for a certain amount of time, unless you could bring friends, or a group with you as a part of the access agreement. Unlimited access doesn't do you much good if no one else is there at that time, or if you pay for a month, and you only have 2-3 events a month. Otherwise, it's pretty much just an indoor field that charges more, isn't it?
Correct me if I'm way off here, that's just my opinion. I know I would be interested in something like this if it meant I could pay a reasonable fee to have use of the facility for a day, or even part of the day for my group / friends.
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Post by oldmanjay on Oct 9, 2010 8:43:14 GMT -5
I appreciate your input. The thing is when I ran my indoor people were there 3 nights aweek 10 or more people. So they payed 10 a night, so do the math in a month that is 12 days that there would be people. If you payed 10 dollars each night that's 120 a month, that's a savings right there. You could set something up with other members for private games during other nights. One last thing if you have the platinum membership you have that option.
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Post by sauron212 on Oct 9, 2010 18:01:14 GMT -5
But what about the people who can only play, twice a month? Older people like me who only get a few select hours to themselves where work, and family are not demanding our time? I would love too have the time of a young mann again with no wife and no kids, and be able to play three nights a week. But alas that is not my life, so I am content with my two nights a month. But for twenty a visit, it better be a really nice facility.
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Post by aceofspades0990 on Oct 9, 2010 18:20:54 GMT -5
I would love too have the time of a young mann again with no wife and no kids, and be able to play three nights a week. But alas that is not my life, so I am content with my two nights a month. But for twenty a visit, it better be a really nice facility. Ha! Let hope your wife don't see this. /offtopic Any way on topic i don't think this would bring in much money what i would do my self is open the field and let any one come any play but also have the memberships to any one who wants them, for more benefits like the stuff you got posted. But that just my opinion i mean i could be wrong or maybe I'm right who knows.
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Post by oldmanjay on Oct 9, 2010 19:08:27 GMT -5
People in Michigan are spoiled with our indoor fields charging less then twenty dollars to play. After having the indoor, I noticed to pay for the summer when you are slow the bare minimum to charge is twenty good field or not. This is why MTAC moved and it was hard for me to juggle that business and my other businesses I own. Before I opened Phoenix Farmington charged 20, Mtac charged 20, I got a good deal on the building and that's why it was cheaper for me to have the field. I passed the savings to the player. If I am wrong about the other places I am sorry but that's what I've seen and that's why I moved outdoors.
With that said I will try to make it a nice field. If you played at lazer edge it will look alittle like that.
To the other question, that's what the day pass is for. People who want to try it or only come once in awhile. Yes the members would have to come more often to make it worth it. The gold membership would pay for itself in three plays. The members get to play more and get benefits. Also if you ever met me you would know i was never really in it for the money. I just liked having a place to hang out with like minded individuals.
Example: I play every week at field A they charge 15.00. I buy bb's at said field 15.00 every other week. One sunday that same field has a Zombie game I want to play at 20.00. I need to work on my gun but don't have all the tools or don't know how to fix it' now I need a repair and some parts.
standard fees field time 4x15=60.00 bb's 2x15=30.00 scenario game= 20.00 repair on gun =30-50.00 total= 140.00 - 160.00
private fees membership = 50.00 bb's 2x10.00 = 20.00 scenario game = 10.00 repair on gun = 15.00-40.00 total = 95 - 110.00 My plan Priceless...........
Just thought I would get that in before someone else did.
Thanks for all your comments This helps me a lot.
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Post by Bones on Oct 9, 2010 21:28:18 GMT -5
I like the idea of having a pimpin Airsoft gun club.
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Post by victordelta on Oct 11, 2010 2:20:03 GMT -5
Jay, I'll be honest with you, this isn't where the money is. This particular idea reeks of "give me your cash" particularly the "lounge" type idea. If you look at a place like MTAC, moped makes his money for the insurance off of the games...he makes his real profit off of bringing people in during the off time for consultations (police, actors from SWAT 2, etc).
I'm not trying to give you any crap, honestly, but I worked in retail management for close to five years before I got into IT, and I've always looked at airsoft as one of those things that without a true value-added philosophy (read:non-airsoft angle), it'll never really turn a profit because it is in all senses of the word, a niche market.
If you look at sites like ASGI, they make their money off of their custom series. Cheap guns turned into decent ones + labor = profit.
I guess this kinda struck a nerve a bit. The way I see it, games = field insurance money. Any value added past that = profit.
The market for fields is competitive, and honestly, you're not going to be able to compete with businesses like MTAC or Farmington (which is just a "fun place to play" because Hunter's dad owns it and it's a haunted house that's shut down 11 months of the year).
The only time I'll pay 20+ for a game is if it's an all day, outdoor event with serious milsim restrictions, objectives, camo requirements, and props.
Jay, I'd be more than happy to discuss possible business opportunities; I've had conversations similar to this in the past with other members, and my experience leading retail employees for so long (while it leaves a bad taste in my mouth haha) makes certain things ring alarm bells in my mind. PM me if you want.
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Post by Kilo Oscar Tango on Oct 11, 2010 11:07:34 GMT -5
I do think it would be nice to have a lounge where people can come together, talk, work on guns together, hold clinics (another way to get money or influence), play some video games, and play some Airsoft when the urge strikes. I'll talk to my people about it and see if they want to do more winter games or indoor all season.
There are some problems with this that are inherent with the "hang out" nature. Look at skateparks for a relevant parallel. Many are used as babysitting for parents, drop off the kids with $20 and you're good for a chunk of the day. Now, this may not seem like a bad thing, but an establishment should not take responsibility for kids like that, especially with Airsoft guns involved. I know for a fact areas around skateparks have more "ad hoc" skating going on, simply because kids get bored and go out and skate. If this is limited to 18+ or other such measures this can be avoided. The last thing any business wants is to be considered a menace to the community through continuing police activity.
Assuming people are going to be there for a while either food services or fast food in the area is required, and considerations that food will be present should be taken (more than one trash can, tables, and so on).
You've probably considered all that already, but redundancy is a good thing in those areas.
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Post by oldmanjay on Oct 24, 2010 20:14:55 GMT -5
Looks like I have a lot of people wanting this. I've receaved a lot of calls and pm's on this .
We are looking at starting this in December if you want in we are starting with the 20 day pass and the 50 all month pass. We may have a grand opening around December 6th. We will not have things like the lounge fully functional and the second floor will be under construction for the first part of the month but we will try to make it worth your wild to be a member. Pm me if you want more info or with your email to get info on the upcoming events indoor or outside.
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Post by Milton on Oct 28, 2010 22:53:50 GMT -5
I like the idea, I know it sounds like he's trying to make money but it can't be much like a "legit" business,i.e. restaurant, auto repair,etc. I think if I read everything correctly it will be open for like 5 days a week for like 5-10 hours. I would be willing to pay $50 a month to play considering I play at least 4 times a month as it is. It does a ll boil down to, Who's there and how often they come up. I think if the field is built to high standards and gets mixed up frequently it could be good.
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