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Post by Barrett on Jul 23, 2010 22:11:12 GMT -5
I'm looking into one of these as my next primary. I don't get out to games fairly often (maybe 1 field and 2 or 3 CQB a year), and even then, I'm not that heavy on the trigger. Given that, I thought it would be pretty cool to have one of these: www.ebairsoft.com/cqbr-blowback-p-2662.htmlAnd I'll pick up a few 5KU's: www.ebairsoft.com/metal-50rds-magazine-p-2377.htmlSo my question is, anybody have any experience with these, or any bits of knowledge about them I wouldn't find in a typical review? I've read many reviews online, but never seen one in person.I've got a budget of around $250, in case I need to replace anything. |
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Post by Thor on Jul 23, 2010 22:15:37 GMT -5
Not. Worth. It. Seriously. I have one, and they're cool, but they just don't work well enough to be skirmishable. And the 5KU mags blow dick. The O-rings in them are garbage and have to be reseated after you discharge the mag, requiring a complete tear down. If you would like to prove me wrong though, I would be happy to sell you mine and all the mags I have for it for much less. All I know for sure that it needs is this: www.ebairsoft.com/aabb-plastic-aluminum-nozzle-p-3034.html, plus better o-rings in the magazine release valves. I could probably get you another one for parts/spares. I just don't want to deal with it. But, PM me if you are interested. EDIT- Here's my tear-down guide for the mags if you do decide to take one on: miairsoft.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=test&action=display&thread=27140 |
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Post by Barrett on Jul 23, 2010 22:34:52 GMT -5
Are you saying that I need to re-seal the mags once and for all, or every time after I use them once?
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Post by Thor on Jul 23, 2010 22:48:08 GMT -5
With the o-rings that come in the 5KU mags, you will need to re-seat them after every time you use them. Yeah. You're probably making the same face I did when I figured that out. I am not sure if better o-rings from a hardware store would fix the issue, it seems like they would, but I haven't tried it yet.
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Post by Barrett on Jul 23, 2010 22:53:48 GMT -5
Wow, that's depressing. Thanks for the advice, though I'll probably invest in a nice CA M4 now.
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Post by Thor on Jul 23, 2010 22:55:59 GMT -5
Yeah, none of the other types of mags have that issue, but these ones do. Which is funny, because they're almost an exact clone of the WA mags, and those usually work fine.
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Post by triggs on Jul 24, 2010 0:40:09 GMT -5
EDIT: Just so I don't get knocked by the mods ;D Barrett: I replied on triggsoft about it as well. But the basics, it's a plinker/tinkering rifle. It's definitely not a all around field rifle. Hmmm thor good buddy, what would you want for that M4  |
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Post by racingmaniac on Jul 24, 2010 10:21:00 GMT -5
Yeah, none of the other types of mags have that issue, but these ones do. Which is funny, because they're almost an exact clone of the WA mags, and those usually work fine. Most seal seat dimension commercially are controlled to 2-3 thousandth of inches....they don't have to f-up a lot to ruin it.... FYI the new King Arms mags are decent and at $38 they aren't too expensive... Looking at the GBBR for WA system market now, the clones are horrible, and you need to put money into them to make it work. King Arms now makes a $3-400 gun that probably will last longer than the AGM/ACM with decent mag. I'd at the minimum start there.... G&P is another step up with steel internal in the hammer/trigger group. |
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Post by Kiki on Jul 24, 2010 13:11:14 GMT -5
Yeah, and I had a G&P WOC and that didn't turn out too well... If you check out gasguns.info, you'll find plenty of people who have spent literally thousands on their GBBRs and still don't have them working just right or as well as an AEG.
Some get lucky and get a GBBR that works pretty well for relatively cheap, but they really are high-maintenance guns. Do not expect to spend $300 on one and have it working perfectly just as you want it.
Now maybe things have changed a bit since I was in the GBBR scene (apparently KA makes GBBRs now?), but what I remember is that the mags were the biggest problems. The only mag I had that worked most of the time reliably was the stock WA mag, and those were like $120... I wouldn't get back into GBBRs until I know that there are mags that work reliably for cheap.
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Post by MattyB (Immortal) on Jul 24, 2010 14:11:32 GMT -5
After getting a negative pressure bolt (g&p, not ra-tech) the biggest hurdle for my G&P is the mags. I'm thinking of trying Pro Win, and now King Arms apparantly, although they make such shitty aeg midcap mags that I can't imagine their gbbr mags would work as close to the WA mags as I need.
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Post by racingmaniac on Jul 24, 2010 16:01:38 GMT -5
I'd never expect GBBR to work at AEG's level. The technology is different, and there are a lot of limitation with the design. If you expect to buy a GBBR and do what you can do with buying a TM AEG and just charge the battery and feed it BB and run without problem, I don't think GBBR is for you. The mags are costly, the parts wear, and they are finicky with weather. And you have to do the up keep on them. They are and IMO always will be niche product. There are people who run them and work within their limit and are perfectly happy with them.
IMO, this type of gun needs PTW level of money to run at least. The influx of cheap guns sour a lot of people's experience because they think the gun will just run and run with no problem. Starting with a 3-400 platform is to get you something that you can at least work with to start, don't expect though to spend ONLY 3-400 plus mag and that is it....and be double sure you are ready to work on this.
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