When Gas dies......

[Andy]

I was told once that if its too cold the gas can't expand. At what temp does the gas not work at??

[Motown]

When gas dies.....does it make a sound?


I would assume that it would be around 0 F, since I'm not a physics major, I honestly wouldnt know. From experience I do know around 20 F it really starts affecting the guns

[Andy]

I have nothing else to say nice one . So is wont affect it at 40F-50F

Isn't make you wonder what this could be about?!? ;D

[Motown]

It will work, just not the best it could. With just about any gas, the lower the temp, the more adverse the affects are, and same for it being really really hot.

[Jacko]

Well... I can tell you liquid C02 begins to crap out around 40 F. I've played paintball with snow on the ground, so a C02 powered gun will work at freezin temps. At low temps, it doesn't convert from liquid to gas fast enough (if at all) and liquid gas in your gun is bad bad bad. C02, when it evaporates, will ouput 800 PSI.

Having had some fun getting liquid green gas on my skin, I can tell you two things: It doesn't evaporate as quickly as C02 when exposed to air, which means it has a higher evaporation point. Since it has a higher evaporation point, I would imagine that it takes less energy to make it do so (Which makes sense, since I don't think a TM GBB could withstand 800 PSI going into it.). Thus, I'm going to go out on a limb here and propose that green gas will crap out at a higher temperature than C02, which means anywhere between 40 and 50 degrees.

Anyone with any experience can probably refute this but I think it's sound logic.

[Andy]

What about 60-65F ?

[Jacko]

Well, it was about that temp the last time we played at Viking's in the morning after being /really/ cold and the people who were testing out their GBB's seemed to be having no major problems. Some noted drops in performance but nothing too bad from what I gathered.

[Bigmack]

Green gas PSI is 70-75 PSI depending on the manufacturer. HFC is 75, whereas Top brand is in the lower end of the 70s.

134a is 50

Red is 100

Black is 120-125 (if you can find it)

[Minky]

Ah, the mysterious black gas, hehe.

You're pretty much right on in your guess Jacko. With most gas powered weapons you'll start to see noticable performance changes right around 50 degrees and lower. Of course, that all depends on the particular gun in question as some Western Arms pistols have been noted to have above average performance at lower temps. DumboRat often states that his WA pistols have been some of the last ones still functioning reliably at temps where most other pistols crap out.

Also, if you usually run your guns on HFC134a (or duster), you can often times use green gas instead when the temps start to dip and performance on duster starts to drop. Of course, you still have to be aware of the risks that come from using higher powered gas, no matter what the temp is.

[WTS-Mike]

I'll second MInky, 40-50 degrees and you are losing ground with GBB's

I have heard (not seen) of guys putting electric socks on thier protruding M11 magazines to keep them functioning in the winter games........

and storing spare mags in a big pocket with a disposable handwarmer........of course heating magazines can be very dangerous.

[Jacko]

Minky said:

You're pretty much right on in your guess Jacko.

*polishes junior scientist badge proudfully.* ;D

[Andy]

I played last night in 45F temp. it worked better that i hoped. Not the best range but it was good enough in the dark.