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Post by Minky on Feb 19, 2002 10:38:33 GMT -5
We'll have to wait for Hado's reply, as such decisions aren't up to me. I think the exceptions would have to be made after playing with the people for sure, but I don't know about limiting it to pre-"mandate" participants. Heck we can use all the player we can get around here, so we can't make it too strict!  |
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Post by Blorfo on Feb 19, 2002 11:09:28 GMT -5
im 14............but i act about 10..............and i play airsoft..........not that anybody cares........ha
as for you, MITCH, maybe you are more mature than me..........or maybe not. i dont really give a hoot in hell.
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Post by SickPointe on Feb 19, 2002 11:34:52 GMT -5
Joe please dont post stupid things. I think it should be 15 for a cut off age... Newman you're right about -CrOnoS- he is really mature for his age but, it's not up to us. Anywho read the thread under Airsoft Discussion called: Airsoft In Michigan by Bigmack cause we talked about the whole waver thing. See if you like my idea. That way we would have to have such a high age restriction.
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Post by Locutus on Feb 19, 2002 11:47:51 GMT -5
All, just for reference. The age limit at Airsoft Ohio events is 13.
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Post by Bigmack on Feb 19, 2002 14:32:04 GMT -5
in retrospect, i'm going to havto sway twards the case by case argument. both Newman and Ammo have shown immense amounts of maturity and sportsmanship at past events...and i'd certainly count them as mature players.
But people being childish...like Blorfo in this post...
that doesn't say much for maturity in his case.
most of the newer people have never met people who've played at past events...and it's really up to them as the hosts/organizers whether people attend or not.
all i'm trying to say is this...people judge you by what and how you post on these here boards. if you're immature, or childish...you'll be thought of as that way. i don't want to play with anyone like that...and i don't think many other people do, either.
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Post by stanfosd on Feb 19, 2002 15:09:56 GMT -5
As far as deciding on whether or not he is mature enough to play rests in his parents hands. Airsoft Ohio, or the Michigan airsoft group needs to decide on the cut off age strictly for legal protection. It is not up to anyone other than Cronos' parents to decide if he has the maturity to play. If his parents feel that he is mature enough, great, but he should still have to meet an age guideline, for the reason stated above.
Personally, I think more kids should probably have and know how to properly own and use real guns. There wouldnt be as many accidents if everyone knew how dangerous they can be and how to properly and safely store/use them. What better way to start to teach responsability to a child than with a replica. I am not saying buy a real gun or even an airsoft gun and send them on their way, but spend time with them, supervise them, teach them. This way, they will learn to appreciate and use safety....be it with an airsoft or a real gun. I realize this is a tangent, but I feel it is a worthwhile point.
On the topic of age limits; yes I feel they should be present to protect the groups from lawsuits.
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Post by Bigmack on Feb 19, 2002 15:24:40 GMT -5
i'm all for maturity...if the parents think that their child can handle an airsoft gun or real firearm...more power to them...
but if someones going to be childish at a game...so that injury or an issue of legality comes up...i wouldn't want to play with them again.
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Post by Minky on Feb 19, 2002 15:35:21 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% about gun safety stanfosd, and airsoft can be valuble and much less dangerous in that respect. However, I'm sure there are cases when parents will just give little Timmy the money for his new toy (airsoft) without even realizing how realistic the guns are. Without that realization, there most likely won't be any safety guidelines enforced, and that's when bad things start to happen.
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Post by stanfosd on Feb 19, 2002 16:36:25 GMT -5
Minky,
You dont have to tell me that. That is exactly the situation almost all of society is in. This is where we can only protect ourselves by implementing a minimum age restriction.
BTW: Mink, got the DE. Thanks! ;D
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Post by TeMpEsT on Feb 19, 2002 18:03:24 GMT -5
Thats a good point Stanfosd, but my brother (Cronos) and I have been shooting real firearms since he was 6-7 and I was 8-9. MY dad was, and still is, horribly strict about our usage of firearms. I went to the range with him several months ago (sproting the Remington Model 700 30-06, great gun). My dad would enforce the core rules of repetition of checking the safety, identifying your target, disableing the safety, again checking the target, finally shoot, cycle the bolt, and flip on the safety. I would do this over and over again, often without even using ammunition. And every time I screwed up in the routine, my dad would immediatley notify me. Before he hands me the firearm, he tells me how the gun can potentially be used as a weapon, that someone's life is in the balance every time I use it.
Today, when we were over at Sick's getting ready to play, I asked my friend Alex if he'd like to see the M11 (Alex is incredibly knowledgable on War history and firearms). Before handing it to him, I took out my mag, pointed the barrel away from him, and then handed it to him. He was very appreciative of this gesture and told me "You were the first person to do that the right way, Chuck". (I'm not saying everyone else I play with is doing something wrong, I just wanted to be cautious around the guest we had).
My parents are still very strict around my brother whenever he has his gun. He pretty much leaves it at Sick's house, or keeps it up im our closet in our room. I remember on Christmas, the day he got his gun, how we were driving to my grandparents. My brother wanted to show my grandpa his airsoft gun. While driving there, I took the gun out of its box, just to take a look at it (first day jitters of new gun, you know how it is) my dad got SO mad. HE immediately said to put it down, back in its box. So, my parents are aware how potentially dangerous they are, and how someone could easily mistake one for a real gun. They understand that airsoft is a healthy sport I do with friends. I proved to them how responsible my friends and I were. When my brother became interested, they knew that my friends and I would teach him how to do things right in airsoft.
Yes, a waiver is a good idea; an age limit is a good idea. I'm not trying to prove to anyone that my brother should play, he's not quite ready, still relatively new to the game. I just want you to know how responsible a younger person can be.
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Post by stanfosd on Feb 19, 2002 18:21:20 GMT -5
I commend you and your brother for practicing the act of safe firearm (and airsoft) handling and applaud your parents for raising you to be useful with firearms, but to also be mindful of the power and responsability that comes with it. I was raised the same way (taught to shoot my father's .44 Redhawk @ 13) and I see that in today's society most parents find it easier to simpley leave firearms out of childrens' lives. I feel that this is the cause of the majority of accidents.
Even with the respectable amount of awareness that you and your brother appear to take with the guns, be it a real firearm or an airsoft gun, I feel (and please note that my opinion does not reflect any organization's policy) that there is still too much risk for a young individual to play in an organized outing. A 12 year old isnt going to have much say in what course of action the parents take if the 12 year old is seriously injured in an outing. It is simply for this reason that I feel the way I have expressed. I wish it didnt have to be this way as I know there are many people under the age of 14 that could completely own me on an airsoft field.
Again, I just feel that an age limit is the safest way 'legally' to go about this. And again, I applaud you, your brother, and your parents.
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Post by TeMpEsT on Feb 19, 2002 18:44:10 GMT -5
I agree with you in that respect stanfosd.
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Post by Ed on Feb 19, 2002 18:57:40 GMT -5
At 13 I don't think I could handle a shotgun let alone a Ruger Redhawk!
...oh yeah, I agree with that safety stuff too
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