kdogg/EmpireAirsoft (The member, not the store)

[rangergreenocelot]

"
I bought something from you and I did try to return it, you wouldn't take it back. You got paid so sit down and shut up."

First of all, you did try to return it, after 4 months. I said I'll take it back until you have the money to pay me back, but did you ship it out? No. Didn't think so. Not only that, you sold the pistol that you didn't even finish paying for. Don't try to act all high and mighty just because you're a mod on this forum please. Not very nice of you to tell someone to shut up after you screwed them over.

Second of all, "Paid"? Barely. You owed me $145 at the end, so you sent back the metal slide I sold you six months before, and $50. That made things even, but not right.

Like I said Mr. Embed, don't be surprised if it turned out to be the latter case. I had to wait half a freakin' year to get my end of the deal. In an unsatisfactory manner too.

Kdogg, you get a 1/10. I would never fall for your "you can trust me, I'm the manager of Empire Airsoft. You'll get paid when I get the product" trick again.

Zorak, sorry about the previous post. I hope the quality of this one makes up for it.


EDIT:

Embed, sounds like the MEU was a problem child, here's a bit snippit from one of my Yahoo! IM messages with Steve on November 2nd, 2006, 6:03:32
kdoggdsc: So mr WA techy

kdoggdsc: got time for a tech question?

xiao_yuan_liu: sure

xiao_yuan_liu: shoot

kdoggdsc: WA MEU

kdoggdsc: Late Model

kdoggdsc: cock hammer, put safety on

kdoggdsc: pull trigger, hammer drops a bit

kdoggdsc: take safety off, it drops the rest of the way

kdoggdsc: like u are decocking it

kdoggdsc: i assume this isnt normal

xiao_yuan_liu: not at all


Also, you know how he said "
Um wrong.. Kdogg didn't put a damn thing back together wrong because Kdogg has NEVER taken the safety apart. The most I've ever done is take the slide off to clean the barrel."?

Well, during the same conversation on November 2nd, 2006, this time at 6:11:32 PM

kdoggdsc: I guess if its nothing major on the safety on the meu, i dont need to fix it

kdoggdsc: just the point of the thing

kdoggdsc: i dont use the safety anyway, i just leave the hammers down on 1911's

xiao_yuan_liu: well

xiao_yuan_liu: if you're ever interested in "fixing" it

kdoggdsc: if its easy, sure

xiao_yuan_liu: well

kdoggdsc: i just dont want to spend 100 bucks on parts

kdoggdsc: I have nothing else to say

xiao_yuan_liu: i'm not 100% sure what's causing the problem right now

xiao_yuan_liu: but

xiao_yuan_liu: cock the hammer

xiao_yuan_liu: engage the safety

xiao_yuan_liu: and pull the right side safety out

xiao_yuan_liu: but be careful

xiao_yuan_liu: the plunger pins will sprung out

kdoggdsc: yeah last time i did that it was loose and sloppy afterwards

kdoggdsc: like the safety never went back together right

kdoggdsc: one moved, the other didnt

xiao_yuan_liu: ah

kdoggdsc: kept falling out after that

xiao_yuan_liu: you have to put in the lefty side in first

kdoggdsc: my Supergrade Compact

kdoggdsc: i did

xiao_yuan_liu: in active position?

kdoggdsc: hammer cocked etc yes

xiao_yuan_liu: hmm

xiao_yuan_liu: the grips should have kept the lefty side in

kdoggdsc: it did

xiao_yuan_liu: and it still fell out?

kdoggdsc: no no

kdoggdsc: ok u know how the 2 halfs go together

kdoggdsc: with a like

kdoggdsc: I

kdoggdsc: U

xiao_yuan_liu: yeah

kdoggdsc: like one pin locks into the U shaped half

kdoggdsc: it wouldnt hold together anymore

kdoggdsc: so when the hammer is back, the left side safety falls out

kdoggdsc: the right one cant, grip holds in it

kdoggdsc: just wouldnt bite anymore and hold together

xiao_yuan_liu: the plunger pins should have held it in

kdoggdsc: and it was all loose and sloppy

xiao_yuan_liu: those pins are still in place?

kdoggdsc: yes

kdoggdsc: everythings there

kdoggdsc: how about i take u a picture later

kdoggdsc: i mean

kdoggdsc: its the SAME way u take it apart


Heh.

"that thing has no issues when I have it. I did nothing more than test fire it."

Boy, your little "WA consulting session" with me sure tells everyone otherwise.

This is what you get for screwing me over. It's ok, I know how much you hate me for posting that tibit back there.

[kdogg]

I've had 4 MEU's, one of them an early model I think? 2 CQB's, 2 Tactial Supergrades, 2 MARSOC's, an OD Green and Tan Desert Warrior, an FBI Trial and a few other WA's. Hell, I have an MEU late model sitting here now 2 feet away that for some reason has a trigger issue? That will be for sale as soon as I locate the issue and replace the proper parts.

3 or 4 TM Mk23's. I'm on like my 5th or maybe 6th P226, and I cant even tell you how many P90's now. Good lord.

I'm going to say this really really slow.

I work in the airsoft industry as a sales person. I buy and sell a LOT of airsoft stuff.

The only issue with the MEU Embed bought as far as I know is that the hammer popped out and he lost a spring. I never did anything with that gun other then buy it and sell it.

[rangergreenocelot]

Kdogg's post before he edited:
"Hey man, blame yourself. I told you straight out that it might be one day, one week, one month, one year before I could pay you back and you agreed.

I think you are forgetting I tried to return the gun in the beginning too. It wasn't until months later and me saying something about how you should have taken it back you said you would take it back until I finished paying. Um no? I would have never seen it again.

I mean shit you made an agreement, you broke that. You also said "pay me and I'll remove the slanderess remarks about your bosses business from my signature all the forums I slandered Empire on and guess what? They are still there. Not to mention they don't say "kdogg" they say "Empire Airsoft". Why not tell people it was kdogg you had the problem with?

Seriously though, please keep them up. They still get us business. I'm serious, we've have people tell me they found out about us via your forum signature so they checked out our page and thought it was a well put together business so they decided to give us a shot."
You're right, it's totally my fault that you screwed me over. Sorry man!

As for trying to return things in the beginning, BS. Post up PMs or anything that mentioned a return in the beginning. Also, you said that bit about "it might be one day, one week, one month, one year before I could pay you back and you agreed." after I started bitching about it after 4 months. Not before I sent the package.

Did I break that agreement? Think carefully buddy, we're both still keeping that agreement. You sent $50 and a metal slide, not $145.

As for your complaint about my forum sig:
I do have a problem with you, and do you remember who you introduced yourself as? The Manager of Empire Airsoft. Sorry bud, you brought your company's name into this. Btw, I'm not that much of an a-hole to say "Empire Airsoft screwed me over", I stated the truth and wrote "the manager of Empire Airsoft screwed me over".

And just so you know, slander means "words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another". Considering that everything I said was proven, guess you need to find a better word for what I posted, eh?

kdogg said:

I've had 4 MEU's, one of them an early model I think? 2 CQB's, 2 Tactial Supergrades, 2 MARSOC's, an OD Green and Tan Desert Warrior, an FBI Trial and a few other WA's. Hell, I have an MEU late model sitting here now 2 feet away that for some reason has a trigger issue? That will be for sale as soon as I locate the issue and replace the proper parts.

3 or 4 TM Mk23's. I'm on like my 5th or maybe 6th P226, and I cant even tell you how many P90's now. Good lord.

I'm going to say this really really slow.

I work in the airsoft industry as a sales person. I buy and sell a LOT of airsoft stuff.

The only issue with the MEU Embed bought as far as I know is that the hammer popped out and he lost a spring. I never did anything with that gun other then buy it and sell it.

November 2nd, 7:10:33

kdoggdsc: i got more WA guns then i know what to do with nowkdoggdsc: selling off this MEU late model and um

kdoggdsc: i think buying the SCW3 1911 A1 WWII style one

kdoggdsc: to put that metal slide on

kdoggdsc: i guess i dont need metal slides on show guns



And at that time, you had 3 WAs, the Wilson Combat Compact, the MEU Late, and the Wilson Combat Supergrade that you didn't finish paying me for. Pretty funny how the MEU Embed got had the same problem eh? Not to mention that they were sold within the same timeframe as well.

And just so you know, Embed's MEU had a problem with the left thumb safety poping out. The least you can do when you scew up is to remember how you screwed up.

[kdogg]

My problem is you make it sound like I owed you "just" $145 dollars. If you ever mentioned the fact I made a few diffrent payments, I missed it. I owed you closer to what? $400~450 dollars?

How is making payments, an attempt to pay you back screwing you over? If I wanted to screw you, you wouldn't have gotten shit.

You keep leaving out just enough detail to make it look like I'm the only person at fault here. I returned the slide YOU sent me because it was the wrong style for my gun. I informed you right away it wasn't right. I prolly would have bought it anyway and saved it for a later project had you not pissed me off but I surely wasn't given you a penny more then I had to after all this crap.

[rangergreenocelot]

See here steve, I really didn't want to bring up this ugly chapter in our beautiful relationship, but you just had to tell me to sit down and shut up. Things like that get me pissed, kinda like how you told me "I don't give a shit" when I was talking to you on the phone. Ah well, your ball park, guess I have to play by your rules.

kdogg said:

My problem is you make it sound like I owed you "just" $145 dollars. If you ever mentioned the fact I made a few diffrent payments, I missed it. I owed you closer to what? $400~450 dollars?

I stopped getting any payment from you after about 2.5 months. You made it sound like a constant stream of cash flowing into my pockets.

kdogg said:

How is making payments, an attempt to pay you back screwing you over? If I wanted to screw you, you wouldn't have gotten shit.

I wouldn't have gotten back shit, if I just kept quite like you wanted.

kdogg said:

You keep leaving out just enough detail to make it look like I'm the only person at fault here. I returned the slide YOU sent me because it was the wrong style for my gun. I informed you right away it wasn't right. I prolly would have bought it anyway and saved it for a later project had you not pissed me off but I surely wasn't given you a penny more then I had to after all this crap.

Here's another one of our conversations, from Jan 17th, 2007 6:52:07 PM
Yellow is what I quoted from September 26, 2006 12:19 AM

xiao_yuan_liu: xiao_yuan_liu: would you be interested in a SCW COLT M1911A1 slide?

xiao_yuan_liu: got one in the mail today

kdoggdsc: What does it say on it?

xiao_yuan_liu: PATENTED APR.20.1897.SEPT.9.1902

xiao_yuan_liu: COLT'S P.F.T.A.M.FG.CO.

xiao_yuan_liu: DEC.19,1905.FEB.14,1911

xiao_yuan_liu: etc etc

xiao_yuan_liu: the standard colt 1911 styled slide

xiao_yuan_liu: try to find a m1911A1 slide that has the adjustable sights

kdoggdsc: Ok well

kdoggdsc: I know nothing about colt 1911 A1 slides

kdoggdsc: I assummed they took the same sights as any other 1911

xiao_yuan_liu: google images, perhaps?

xiao_yuan_liu: *note trying to be funny

xiao_yuan_liu: just something that i do when i buy things



Oh, even better, a conversation from November 2nd, 2006 (same convo where you were talking about the busted MEU)

xiao_yuan_liu: how's the slide?

kdoggdsc: i dont think they will work

kdoggdsc: Well

kdoggdsc: its ok

kdoggdsc: but

xiao_yuan_liu: included a set of sights

kdoggdsc: i didnt know i couldnt use the MEU sights on it

kdoggdsc: i guess i forgot A1's used fixed fronts

kdoggdsc: well old school ones


Funny how you keep leaving out just enough detail to make it look like I should be blamed here. Why don't you just own up to your mistakes and send Mr. Embed his refund. Come on Steve, show us how you're the bigger man here.

[Sigman]

I would have so told you to go f off by now. How old are you? 16?? I've had ex girlfriends who were less of a pain in the ass. I think the 1911 you describe is the spring field one he traded me for my AUG I had to replace the whole hammer and the safety to get it working right but I knew when I bought it didn't work so no complaints from me.

Steve seriously, just ignore this crap. You are feeding into his shit big time. He is just trying to keep you going and you keep walking into it over and over. I think a lot of us have seen the threas posted on airsoftforum, arines, and so on. I know i sure thought he was slamming Youngs store and not you when I first saw them.

I've got no complaints with Steve or Empireairsoft.

[kdogg]

Wow you really are a jerk. Someone says something in my defense and you flame them? I totally agree I should have told you to go get bent along time ago. You are never going to stop. You fallow me around, you butt into shit thats got nothing to do with you. You just about stalk me?

I'd completely forgotten Corey got a WA arms gun from me but now that I think about it he did and it was an Springfield MEU. Wow, we sure messed that gun up. We, excuse me, I tried to bend the prongs on the safety back into place with pliers and broke one off I have nothing else to say

Opps...

rangergreenocelot said:

JCE, I'll agree with you on this bit:
I guess I really don't have any beef shit against Empire Airsoft. Just steve. Just steve.

So your solution is to now stalk me and butt into shit that has nothing to do with you and isn't even the same damn gun? Shit that just keeps the pot stirred and people pissed and arguing?

rangergreenocelot said:

Anyway, let's focus on Mr. Embed's problem for the time being.

Whoa whoa.. You are going too god damn far. Now I know you are just trying to keep shit going. Are you getting off on this?

We don't need to focus on shit and you need to stay out of stuff thats got nothing to do with you. The problem between me and you was resolve a long time ago. Don't you have a life to be getting back to?

[Knief]

Everybody needs to check their attitudes here. You're both feeling wronged, and it sucks, fine. At least handle the situation like adults instead of snipping at each other like 12 year old girls. Whoever continues the bickering is going to face some disciplinary actions.

JCE, you're flamebaiting and you damn well know it. If you want to give your imput about the deals you've done with Kdogg, go for it. But you're in no position to make any kind of judgements about what kind of person rangergreenocelot is. So keep your commentary on him or any other member to yourself.

[rangergreenocelot]

Knief, sorry, I removed the offending posts. I'll watch myself from now on.

kdogg said:

Whoa whoa.. You are going too god damn far. Now I know you are just trying to keep shit going. Are you getting off on this?

We don't need to focus on shit and you need to stay out of stuff thats got nothing to do with you. The problem between me and you was resolve a long time ago. Don't you have a life to be getting back to?

Sorry Steve, but a deal is done and over with when both parties agree on it. I'm posting because I know a few details about the gun's history.

[kdogg]

I never thought I would agree with Bill from 21st Century Airsoft but boy, I sure understand why the man hates forums and dealing with retail or new/used public sales.

He said sooner or later something like this would bite me in the ass too and sour my opinion of dealing with people like this.

I'm starting to get it.

You know what though. As much stuff as I sell for Empire, as much stuff as I sell for myself, the fact of the matter is I'm never going to keep everyone happy all the time. Thats just part of business. I do my best but I need to stop breaking my ass trying to satisfy people who just cant be satisfied.

So in closing, form your opinions, make your comments behind my back if you must. I always hear about them and I must admit some of them are funny. I do need to stop feeding into the bullshit though.

Mr Embed, I'm sorry if you feel the MEU I sold you was less then par but it was a used gun and it was sold as is and in working shape so there isn't much I can do now.

Next time you buy something from someone if you don't feel its satisfactory, you need to say something to that person yourself, not wait for them to hear it threw the grape vine and come to you asking wtf is up.

I'm going to limit my usage of forums for a while I think. If anyone needs anything from me, please contact me threw the "contact us" on Empire Airsoft and I'll be glad to help if I can.

Thanks guys, I'm sure I'll see some of you on the field sooner or later.

[rangergreenocelot]

Steve, with all due respect, contacting you directly only got so much done. You know this thread would not have any negative commments about you if just made us happy when we were in contact with you privately. I'm actually very easy to satisfy, if a person kept his/her words, followed through on deals promptly, I actually leave them positive feedback. And for the record, I myself came you to directly, which as I have said, only got me so far. From the sound of his posts, I can gather that Mr. Embed did the same thing...with similar results.

[BoredKender]

every time i have had any questions or sales deals with kdogg, i have contacted him directly and everything went very smoothly. i would personally never hesitate to do business with kdogg, and am actually planning a trip tomorrow to do just that.

steve- you're right. there is no such thing as 100% customer satisfaction in the real world, no matter how much you try. see ya tomorrow buddy!

btw... sucks to hear that you're thinning down your WA collection. you were at what, 13 last i checked?

[kdogg]

Kender!! My man, long time no talk. Where you been hiding?

boredkender said:

steve- you're right. there is no such thing as 100% customer satisfaction in the real world, no matter how much you try. see ya tomorrow buddy!

So I'm learning. People like to knit pick every little thing. I guess sometimes you just gotta tell people to go get bent? I just don't like to do that but sometimes I guess you just can't kill yourself trying to please everyone.

boredkender said:

btw... sucks to hear that you're thinning down your WA collection. you were at what, 13 last i checked?

Twelve or thirteen sounds about right I guess. I've bought and sold some of them since then though. I've sold off most of them actually. Moms still in the nursing home, had to pay bills you know.

I've only got like one and half left (one works, one works half assed) I have nothing else to say. Hold me Ryan, I'm going to cry...

Knief gave the green CQB and the Supergrade tactical good homes. Tack's brother picked up that Supergrade Tactical Compact I brought to that one private training game with the Sheriffs Department guys you all put on for me and JCE the day that one game was cancelled.

Speaking of, JCE picked up a MEU. Mr Embed picked up an MEU, as I'm sure you can tell by the above posts. Brad from WMI Airsoft picked up a two Kimbers off me. Someone else here on MIA bought the FBI Trial but I forget who it was now. The rest went to random people on other forums and my friend sold a couple on eBay for me.

Right now my project is my TM Sig P226. One of these days, I'll get another OD green Kimber. I think I'm going to get a real Kimber first though. Haven't been playing much Airsoft lately. You should hold some games

Cya tomarrow, thanks for the kind words.

Oh and before anyone jumps Kenders ass saying sales deals threw Empire don't count, blah blah, this is about kdogg etc, Kenders has never bought anything from Empire that I know of. Just personal transactions between the two of us.

Another satisfied customer of Kdogg's Street Corner Out Of The Trunk Shady Dealings LLC.

Humor is the only way I keep from shooting people with real guns, sorry

[Thor]

Was just down at kdogg's a couple of days ago. Redcell and I had to drive down to K-zoo to have a few problems with his Systema fixed. When we got there, he fixed the brushes in the motor and helped us with a rebuild kit for Redcell's cylinder. We sat around for a few hours and bulshitted, hawked our gypsy wares with each other and generally had a good time. I've never had a problem dealing with kdogg, and if he has a way to take care of you, he will. But, he's still a dick.

Edit- Redcell and I also happen to be top customers of Kdogg's Street Corner Out Of The Trunk Shady Dealings LLC. When you absolutely, positively have to get something and don't wanna know where it came from or what it's history is, shop with Kdogg. ;D

[kdogg]

I have nothing else to say... I never said I wasn't a dick

Yeah I always try to help people but sometimes they just don't want it or they are jerks to the point I don't want to help them. Oh well, whatca going to do. Move on I guess.

Like I said, I really understand Bill from 21st's issues with people are now. I also see why Wildcard told Redcell to distance himself from forums when he took over WMI Airsoft.

Btw you guys left your candy bar wrappers on my living room floor and I got bitched at by Jenn

hotcarl said:

Edit- Redcell and I also happen to be top customers of Kdogg's Street Corner Out Of The Trunk Shady Dealings LLC. When you absolutely, positively have to get something and don't wanna know where it came from or what it's history is, shop with Kdogg. ;D

Well yeah see I don't have problems with you two because you guys have brain cells and you know how to work on airsoft gas pistols.

Rather to insult me and tell me to go eat another donut, if you guys have issues, you would know how to fix them where others don't.