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Post by kdogg on Aug 13, 2006 22:22:16 GMT -5
No problem man. I'm just sorry I had to get involved to get you get the gun you paid him for in the first place. He coulda found time to mail that, I really don't know whats going on with him though. I didn't mind doing it, just so god damn busy.. Sorry you waited so long. JCE I think knows but doesn't care that he has a bad rep here so he kinda dropped out of airsoft for the time being I think. Not really sure what happened there. He also doesn't go out to ACO/WMI anymore either. I don't think he left a good impression on them either
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Post by Knief on Nov 12, 2006 10:15:09 GMT -5
I've now done two deals with Kdogg. One for a KSC M9 with 3 spare mags, and one for a pair of WA Wilsons. Both deals went very smoothly. My only complaint is that he was a little slow to ship out the WAs, but he kept in good contact the entire time I was waiting, and he had his reasons. So I can't really hold that against him. The products were all in mint condition, just as described. I'd definitely buy from Kdogg for a third, fourth, and probably fifth time.
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Post by Embed on Jun 29, 2007 10:42:10 GMT -5
I happened to have a poor transaction with Kdogg, I'm going to do my best to explain it from both points of view to get the story across. I would like to first say that this has NOTHING to do with Empire Airsoft, this was a personal trade with Steve and Steve only.
I bought one Western Arms MEU Late Model and two single stack mags from Steve in November of last year. I paid $200 through paypal and that was that. There were some problems with shipping, first the package got sent back to Steve and I don't blame him at all for this, he was great at explaining what happened and told me it would be rectified shortly. The next holdup was when the gun was sitting in the trunk of his girlfriend's car for a few days and wasn't shipped out. After that he had some family issues come up and at that point I held back and was totally understanding, family should always come before airsoft. I reminded him once in a while that I hadn't received the gun yet but hung back so he could get his affairs in order. After a couple weeks he sent me a message that I found pleasing given the situation:
Just for reference, I sent the money around November 3rd. This message was sent to me on November 30th. Steve then told me he would give it to his friend Corey and that he trusted this guy 100%. Steve had a pulled tendon in his foot so he was in no shape to ship the gun. This is what I received on December 13th:
I waited about a week and a half after I received this message from Kdogg, he got the gun back. This was on December 22nd.
December 30th rolls around, Kdogg sends me another message saying he shipped it out that day. This time the gun arrived and more unfortunate events occurred..
I received the gun and mags in the mail but the problems started the first time I opened the box. I picked up the gun to give it a once over and the left thumb safety popped off. There is a small spring that pushes against it along with a tiny rod. The spring and the rod both went flying and were lost. I first thought that rough shipping was to blame for the damages but after talking to Knief (resident WA expert) he said that for the safety to come off would take disassembly and a poor re-assembly.
I sent Kdogg this message and he replied:
Steve told me he would give me the full $200 back for the gun and two mags. He made this offer on March 8th of this year. Up to this point it's been a little under five months that we had been exchanging PM's. We exchanged PM's discussing when he'd have the $200 to pay me back with, he made it clear that he doesn't make much and it would take a little bit. I understood and gave it some time. The last message I received from him was on April 27th. I still have the WA and 2 mags sitting in a box, sealed and ready to ship. It was been there for months. I'm not sure whether I should keep trying to return the gun or sell it. But I just wanted this gun gone.
I hope this was just a series of unfortunate events or just bad timing. But I wish it didn't have to be this way.
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Post by King on Jul 5, 2007 0:49:15 GMT -5
When I bought my KSC M9 from Kdogg (Quite a while ago), it came with two mags. I get the shipment, open it up and look it over and I was satisfied. I load up both mags, shoot through one, it was fine, worked flawlessly. The second one, I shoot through to empty, but when I go to eject it from the magwell it's jammed by something, it just won't budge. I don't know what I did next but while holding the mag release button it just falls out. I look down to my feet and the button on the valve the hammer strikes to release the gas has popped off and the spring is sitting a few feet from it. I didn't think much of it then, as it was just the mag, but now after looking at Embed's situation, I feel like he might be fixing stuff up enough to give the illusion of being functional, untill you actually use it. That's speculation though.
I just can't see how he wouldn't have known about a problem like that. Had he mentioned it and said "It's no biggie, a little super glue will secure it and you'll be set" it would have been fine, a KSC M9 with two mags for 100 bucks was a good deal and I wouldn't have thought twice about it. It's the fact that I feel he hid the fact that one of the mags didn't work well that's the problem.
I guess I just didn't care enough before.
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Post by Tex on Jul 5, 2007 2:11:36 GMT -5
Hand delivered his Socom to my door.
Told me when he got there that 2 of the mags were leaking but he had "fixed" them that morning. Needless to say, they leaked. The guns hopup was also not functioning. And it doesn't always feed bb's.
He gave me a few weak offers of a new hopup bucking and to "take a look" at it. But that's just bullshit to sell a gun in that condition. I turned his offer down because I don't want to deal with his crap anymore.
A giant -1.
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Post by kdogg on Jul 5, 2007 2:42:17 GMT -5
I'm cleaning up my posts to make this more simple and to the point. I felt the thread was getting a bit messy.
To Embed, that WA MEU functioned fine when I shipped it. If the safety fell off and you lost a spring that causes it to function properly, I can't be responsible for that. Replace the spring, put the safety back on and quite bitching, it was a used gun not new.
We both know I never offered you a "refund" because I felt I owed you one. It was merely to get the magazines back for personal reasons. I don't care how you want to spin it. We both know I clearly told you that.
And King...
Again, that M9 functioned fine for me. Maybe it was just unlucky timing and it finally broke once you got it? I don't know but what I do know is that this is the FIRST time I've heard a word about you having an issue.
You should have had the common decency to contact when you discovered it had issues rather then to wait months and slam me publicly because Mr Embed is having an issue.
You say your reason for making the post was you saw Mr Embeds post and felt I purposely sold you a gun that doesn't work correct? Well what about all those post about the people who bought stuff from me and left good feedback? Did you just ignore those when making your decision to post?
Now, this subject is closed. You guys said what you wanted to say and like wise, so have I.
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Post by Arc on Jul 5, 2007 13:01:36 GMT -5
Purchased a KJW p226 off of Kdogg. No problems, excellent communication. I will be buying more from him in the future.
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Post by King on Jul 5, 2007 17:57:57 GMT -5
That was far from bitching. That was feedback. That was my experience I had with something you sold me and just because you don't like it doesn't mean I'm bitching about it. I never said anything about it (My initial comment on page 1 was pretty good in my opinion) because it was an easy super glue fix, and you had never had a negative comment before so I felt like being charitable and not tarnishing your record with something that may not have been your fault, maybe that time I fired through the mag was the straw that broke it's back (Oh, and I don't know if I made it clear enough in my first post that it was one of the mags that broke, NOT the gun). But when I see Embed's post I see the problems are somewhat similar and I decided to talk about it. And as for my not knowing how to eject a mag from a gas pistol? I won't dignify that with a response.
Edit: I'll post some of the positives from the transaction to help curve the blinding rage...
He was good with communication, PMs were usually responded to within a day. The price was good for a perfect gun aside from some cosmetic blemishes. The gun and the one mag still function well, and amazingly well with .30g+ BBs.
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Post by Knief on Jul 5, 2007 19:09:00 GMT -5
I'm only getting into this at this point because I was mentioned as a part of Embed's particular deal. So let me first say that I've done a couple of deals with Kdogg and everything I got was great, although delivery on one package was incredibly slow. I took Kdogg at his word that he was going through family and financial problems which delayed him from sending out the package, and I still do. Sometimes shit just comes up and you can't do anything else but put off a minor obligation to your hobby in order to straighten out real problems in real life. I don't hold my two week delay against Kdogg at all, and other than the constant yearning for my guns, no harm came from the wait, so it's no big deal
Now, here's where I come into Embed's story. He and I are good friends, and were on the same team before it started falling apart. We talk regularly, probably daily at the time of his transaction with Kdogg. He consulted me before making an offer on Kdogg's gun, and I thought that the price he paid was very reasonable for what he was getting.
Two months later his gun came. It's not really my place to comment on that kind of wait, but I have to say that there's a big difference between waiting two weeks for a package and waiting two months for a package.
So when Embed got the gun, the thumb safety fell out as he picked up the gun. He came to me immediately with the problem. Not because he wanted to go talk shit about Kdogg behind is back, but because he knows that I know my way around a WA 1911 and because we're friends. Who wouldn't go to their more knowledgable friend for help with a gun problem? After I checked the gun I confirmed that there was indeed some problem with the safeties. No WA 1911 safety should just pop out. You have to give them a solid tug, usually with some wiggling to remove them. That one just falls out. Something was amiss with it.
While I told Embed to talk to Kdogg right away about the problem, he decided he'd rather just deal with the problem. I can't exactly blame him, since it took Kdogg two months to send out the gun that he wanted to sell. It's not very reasonable to expect him to be quick about giving a refund on the same piece.
Not too long later, Kdogg and I were in the MiA chat, and Embed's gun came up. I told Kdogg what the problem was, and that was indeed the first he had heard of the issue. Kdogg told me that Embed should just talk to him about it, and that he would give him his money back. I passed this info on to Embed, at which point he went to Kdogg to try to work out the problem.
This is where I exit the story.
But to say that Embed just wasn't happy with his gun is wrong. He was super excited about it, and would have loved it if it didn't fall apart out of the box. And to say that Embed went behind Kdogg's back about the problem is a nice way to distort the truth. He talked to his friend, who is proficient with WA pistols, about what the problem was. He never said, "that jerk Kdogg sent me a bad gun." He never trash talked him, other than expressing his frustration with the delay and receiving a faulty gun. So please, Kdogg, stop trying to paint Embed in a bad light. He's not some punk kid trying to shaft you. He's a punk kid trying to get what he deserves: a refund that you promised him because the gun you sold him was faulty.
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Post by Яoman on Jul 5, 2007 21:38:02 GMT -5
Im just going to slip my $0.02 into this convorsation. Not picking a side because Im not part of the story but this is a public thread, on a public forum, so I guess public opinions can be part of it.
Kdogg has always been there asap with information for me. At work or at home he has talken to me in person on the phone and on Instant Messangers. All information hes given me is good.
I bought my first airsoft equipment from Empire and Kdogg did me a favor by going around state tax and make it so my card had enough money on it to purchase it online and I could pay the tax when the bills come in which we do every time I order online Items. Him and Young are nice guys and I have an Uncle thats a friend of Yong.
I got my gun in 2 weeks (Christmas+weekends got in the way) after 2 days the gun broke. Kdogg let me return the gun and gave me a sparkling new replacement. It took 1 month for that replacement to happen. I can honestly say he fought against the corporate beast in the Airsoft buisness just so I, and younger/new airsoft player, could have a working first gun. After putting tens of thousands of rounds threw it in a few days the airseal nozzle and cylinder head broke. These are MECHANICAL FAILURES. Not done by a mans hands or on purpose. But by a simple flaw in a small part. Now He said he could repair it but I decided to take that into my hands and try repairing it on my own.
Kdogg is a good guy and from my what I see a good friend. I wouldn't discredit his loyalty due to a safety falling out and spring being lost.
Now, I agree that it sucks that your gun failed after a too month wait. But so did mine after 2 week wait and 2 days the gears locked up BUT, the difference here is that I told Kdogg as soon as it happened. I gave him pictures, videos, and phone calls and he helped me.
I think you guys just need to simmer down. No side deserves this more than the other. SHIT HAPPENS. We all adults(or close enough to it) and we can settle this without yelling over who did what and who screwed who over. Some form of "justice" will happen.
The way I see it, your lucky Kdogg is even talking to you and your lucky it was only the safety and not a number of parts that you could have lost.
Like I said, I was not apart of the story and I dont really have a side, or choose a side for that matter, but I think you guys just need to cool it, look at eachothers side and come to some sort of compromise.
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Post by King on Jul 5, 2007 21:48:08 GMT -5
Rabbit, buying a brand new gun from Kdogg at Empire is a completely different thing. This is Kdogg's personal thread for his own gear, not Empire's and I don't really think they're interchangeable. As for the simmering down, it appears to me that only one "side" of this discussion is employing heavy use of caps lock and sarcasm.
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Post by Embed on Jul 6, 2007 8:58:16 GMT -5
Unless you were being sarcastic, you did offer me a refund. A "friggin" refund, as you put it: Knief is right in saying that I was really excited about getting this gun. I don't see how you're in a position to tell me otherwise. This isn't my first WA 1911, so I knew what to expect out of a working version. However, you're right, I was far less excited when I found out that you sold me a broken gun, a gun that literally fell to pieces as soon as I picked it up. So yes, I want it gone. Can you blame me? I waited months for what should have been a great replica of one of my favorite pistol models. And of course, a fully functional replica, since neither your thread nor any of your PMs beforehand informed me that the safety was broken. What I got was a broken gun. I was sold a non-functioning product without being informed of the flaw. So like any upset customer, I'd like my money back please. I'm sure you've made dozens of deals in the airsoft world, and most of them have probably gone smoothly. Congratulations. But that doesn't help me one bit when our deal goes south. Just because you have a 95% good track record doesn't mean that you have no obligation to right the wrongs for the other 5% of your deals. You owe every person who you deal with a a good transaction. If you can't do that, you shouldn't be making some of those transactions. And just for reference, King and I aren't the only people who have ever had a complaint about you: miairsoft.proboards70.com/index.cgi?board=rate&action=display&thread=1169074147Greenrangerocelot had quite the problem as well. I have to say, just because King and I are saying that neither of us were happy with our guns doesn't mean that we're bitching. You're the only one getting hostile in this thread. And asking Knief for advice about a broken gun isn't going behind your back. It's getting the opinion of somebody who can actually tell me if I actually have a problem or if I'm just dumb and screwed something up. It's talking to my teammate about my new gear. If I wanted to go behind your back to bitch about you and trash talk you, half the forum would know it, and not just one other member who happened to be on my team. So, are you going to help me resolve this problem without making me wait another two months, or are you going to leave me as unsatisfied as the guy who sleeps alone on prom night?
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Post by rangergreenocelot on Jul 6, 2007 15:33:46 GMT -5
Don't be surprised if it turns out to be the latter.
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Post by Zorak on Jul 6, 2007 15:46:04 GMT -5
Rangergreenocelot, if you have some relevant experience to relate, by all means, expound on it. If you're just stirring the pot, shut it. Your response, as written, was completely unhelpful and likely to make things worse. Everyone else, please ignore him until he adds substance to his opinions.
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Post by kdogg on Jul 6, 2007 16:09:04 GMT -5
Don't be surprised if it turns out to be the latter. I bought something from you and I did try to return it, you wouldn't take it back. You got paid so sit down and shut up.
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