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Post by Nightcrawler on Feb 16, 2004 19:04:32 GMT -5
Which shotguns don't require those pesky shells?
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Post by xaos on Feb 16, 2004 19:07:35 GMT -5
Er...most people *want* the shells....realism and all. However, if you don't, I believe that maruzen makes one or two models that have an internal magazine.
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Post by spyderman on Feb 16, 2004 22:05:22 GMT -5
buy one of those samurai's edge or barry's magnum resident evil gun replicas. if you don't like it, give it to someone who likes resident evil.
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Post by Nightcrawler on Feb 17, 2004 16:45:32 GMT -5
I just don't want to have to buy and lose all those shells. I like to play, not reload. If I were to get a shell compatible gun, Id take that Mad Max pimped out, g-money, chromed out, bling bling, sawed off shotty. OH YEAH...... but I don't want one so maybe I will check out the other ones.
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Post by xaos on Feb 17, 2004 17:13:42 GMT -5
Forum members and dignified moderators and administators, I'd like you all to meet Spyderman. He is what medical professionals like to call an idiot. I mean, the guy plays paintball. He can't be alright upstairs. ...that's your basis for calling someone an idiot? Most of the people here have played paintball at one point or another. Are we all idiots? That said... I'm curious. Why do you dislike AEG's so much? Have you ever shot one? If you don't want to have to reload regularly, you don't want a shotgun. If I recall correctly, the largest magazine size available is about 50 rounds...which, at 3 bb's per shot, is 17 shots. You're going to have to reload. Period. If you don't want to have to reload, then revise your thinking, and purchase an AEG, battery, and a box mag.
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Post by Nightcrawler on Feb 17, 2004 17:32:57 GMT -5
I didn't mean anything by it. I just like to give Spyderman a hard time because he's my brother. Anyway, I have fied an AEG before and honestly, I wasn't that impressed. Sorry to disappoint you. I suppose I only want the shotgun because of the feel of it. I'm a shotgun sorta guy I guess. I use the hardballer shotgun once ina while and I don't mind it in the least. I'd rather play with a gun I like than an AEG which needless to say, I dislike.
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Post by xaos on Feb 17, 2004 18:06:28 GMT -5
So...you weren't impressed. Do you plan to play with people equipped with AEGs? If the answer is yes, and you wish to have any hope of meeting them on an even playing field, you need something similar. None of the shotguns on the market are going to cut it. Period.
You fire 3 bb's at me, pump your shotgun, then are ready to fire again. In that time I've sent 25+ rounds your way...and mine are more accurate, and, in most cases, more accurate (most shotguns aren't especially accurate...which is a severe hinderance when you're not firing the same type of load as a real-steel shottie). If I'm using a high capacity magazine, you'll have reloaded twice before I run out, in the vast majority of cases...and you can bet I'll be carrying more than one magazine.
Now, don't get me wrong. I love shotguns. I just haven't seen one that I'd purchase yet. They simply can't compete with AEG's. Why? One: Rate of fire. You don't have it with a shotgun. Two: Ammo capacity. Even against an AEG using standards, you're carrying less. Three: Accuracy. An AEG will most always be more accurate than a shotgun. Four: Range. You're going to be outranged, all the time. Five: Purpose. A real-steel shotgun has a very specific purpose on the battlefield. Airsoft shotguns are incapable of fulfilling that purpose. Indoors, a shotgun should meet an AEG on even footing. It doesn't, simply because the spread of a real-steel shotgun is not present in an airsoft version.
Given the fact that the vast majority of airsoft games are held outdoors, the shotguns available currently simply can not compete with an AEG. Brand, model...it doesn't matter.
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Post by frostee on Feb 17, 2004 19:37:32 GMT -5
Flaming is not tolerated. Persistent flamers get the boot... from Bigmack. Xaos, hush before Viking hears you ...and mine are more accurate, and, in most cases, more accurate (most shotguns aren't especially accurate...which is a severe hinderance when you're not firing the same type of load as a real-steel shottie). Viking would counter that his Super 90 had the same range and accuracy as a stock AEG... and if he still had it he'd prove it.
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Post by xaos on Feb 17, 2004 21:33:56 GMT -5
I've used a super 90...and with practice, it may well be as accurate as a stock AEG...but (IME, of course) it's still a tad short range-wise. I still stand by the fact that they don't perform in the manner that their real-steel counterparts do though...which is the one reason I don't own a shotgun yet.
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Post by Viking on Feb 17, 2004 23:28:19 GMT -5
Oh come on Frostee you know those results could only be accomplished with me behind the sights. The problem with spring shotguns is that with use their performance degrades drastically. The spring loses its “toughness” and your fps begins to drop. With a new in box M3 you will get same if not better range then a stock new in box AEG. You can’t really judge accuracy with shotguns instead you judge groupings, but you will have no problem landing 2 if not all 3 bbs on a chest size target at max range with a new M3. To this day my kill to death ratio was a lot higher when using my old M3 Shorty. People who play with me know I have gone threw a lot of hardware since and yet I still stand by my statement that the M3 shorty was my favorite, most reliable, best performing gun I’ve owned. I will agree that they do not perform like their real counterparts. Real steel shotguns are good for 2 things. One – intimidation! Shotguns in Airsoft are anything but intimidating. Two – put a lot of lead down range. Shotguns for the most part in airsoft are horrible, with the exception of the M3 family by TM, but even then 3 bbs a trigger pull every half second isn’t anything special… not when your SR16 spits out 6 a second and exactly where your aiming (well for the most part). Shotguns especially the TM line are great as “the other guns” you will be out gunned by AEGs, you will need more skill to get kills, and you will almost always be seen as a handicap player in a skirmish… of course its always un to go and kill the entire team with your “handicap gun” during the skirmish but again those results are only possible with me pulling the trigger.
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Post by sharpshooter123 on Feb 18, 2004 0:12:08 GMT -5
I'm really thinking you admins and globals and all the other big people up there should like lock all these posts about "what gun should I get." I know I as a lot of questions but there pretty much always on just one gun. Its getting kind of annoying
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Post by Nightcrawler on Feb 18, 2004 20:21:37 GMT -5
So...you weren't impressed. Do you plan to play with people equipped with AEGs? As a matter of fact......... No. None of my friends own AEGs nor do they have plans to buy one (sounds a lot like me ) In some cases, I lone one of my guns to friend so that they can play. I really don't need an AEG to play. As a matter of fact, I don't think it would be a lot of fun to have an AEG when all your friends have springers (and second rate ones at that). My first gun was a $6.00 pistol that I found at a garage sale. Playing with that gun was probably the best game (it only lasted once) that I had ever played. Enough said.
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