leanpocket25
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Post by leanpocket25 on Oct 18, 2003 22:51:13 GMT -5
Do any of u have suggestion for a Person going from an Aeg to a bolt action? What type of things do u like to do while snipeing? Please give me suggestions for a first timer to snipering
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Post by xaos on Oct 18, 2003 23:22:15 GMT -5
You searched, right? And you looked around at other sites? (Arnie's has an excellent sniper section)
If you have a short attention span...don't bother. If you can't be quiet, don't bother. If you can't accurately estimate ranges, don't bother. If you can't recognize when a target is inside your minimum engagement distance, please for the love of god, don't bother.
Personally, I'm not a sniper. I don't want to be. However, this is what I "expect" (for lack of a better word) from a sniper teammate:
1: Scouting ability. You've got a scope. You can use it for more than lining up shots.
2: Long range support fire. Can you provide cover for an advance?
3: Ability to keep the enemy's heads down. Almost the same as above, but with the small addition of keeping them focused on you, while my team moves to flank, or just get the heck outta dodge.
4: Of course, long range engagement. The typical reason people want to snipe. Shooting people when they can't shoot you back. But do you know when to take the shot, and when to let it pass?
When sniping, one thing is very important. Once you've found a "good" spot, evaluate potential paths of retreat. Chances are you'll end up outgunned if the enemy is able to close the distance between you and them. This is when your rifle becomes a handicap. Any good sniper setup spot should have multiple escape routes, preferably through cover (dense brush, etc.), so you can either take a shot and slip away unseen, or run like hell if you need to.
You *must* understand the ways your Rate of Fire can be a disadvantage. Minimize this disadvantage as much as possible. Know your effective range, so you can start eliminating targets near the outside of said range, such that they won't be able to get close enough to endanger you. Of course, you must also know your gun well, and be a decent shot, as in reliably able to hit targets at the outer edge of your rifle's effective range.
Otherwise, (to me) it's pretty much like any other role on the field. Work well with your teammates, communicate, coordinate actions.
It's quite beneficial to know just what you need to be able to do to be an effective sniper, before you go out and drop a load of cash on a rifle, just to find out sniping isn't for you.
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Post by HnD on Oct 19, 2003 7:30:43 GMT -5
What are the minimum engagement distance for diffeent fps? I have never played yet don't be to harsh on me.
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leanpocket25
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Post by leanpocket25 on Oct 19, 2003 12:18:57 GMT -5
Thanks Xaos where can i find that thing on Arneis
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Post by Jacko on Oct 19, 2003 12:38:14 GMT -5
You can find the Engagement Rules in The Rules For Michigan Players players thread. Second entry in the thread. While there's not any kind of 'ruling council' for MI like Ohio has, I know Gk and SOCOM both follow these rules and some other teams as well. They're general guidelines that have been established by experienced players so everyone can experience safe and fun airsofting.
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Post by HnD on Oct 19, 2003 13:29:50 GMT -5
Thanks Jacko
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Post by xaos on Oct 19, 2003 14:53:37 GMT -5
I lied...oops. The sniper section I was talking about (along with a few good articles), was over at AirsoftPlayers, which is, of course, out of commission at the moment.
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Post by humanshield on Oct 21, 2003 17:46:43 GMT -5
Well, I play in a pretty dense forest area. I like to lie down in some tall grasses, or crouch behind a tree. Make sure you get used to bolting and have a good sidearm incase you can't bolt in time.
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leanpocket25
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Post by leanpocket25 on Oct 22, 2003 19:42:45 GMT -5
Xaos i read that article and it kinda helped. Does anyone elese have some tips for a soon to be sniper?
Thanks
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Grunt22
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Post by Grunt22 on Oct 22, 2003 19:47:37 GMT -5
Instead of the birds and the bees.... be ready for Briars and Bugs. Actually, I made quite a large post on sniping at one time or another, I'll see if I can look it up for you.
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Grunt22
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Post by Grunt22 on Oct 22, 2003 20:00:32 GMT -5
Here's part of it... I have more... but I have to find it... but this will have to do for now.
Airsoft Sniping
We seem to be few and far between in this sport, but not to my dismay, for I know that this Airsoft position was meant for me.
So, do you have what it takes to be an Airsoft sniper?
Well, lets see what it involves. The first thing anyone even attempting this position must have is the utmost patience. I cannot stress that point enough. As an Airsoft sniper, you must rundown countless things in your head when you have a target(s) in your sights. "Am I In Range?", "How Many Enemies Are There?", "How Far Away Is My Nearest Friendly?", "Will My Location Be Seen After The First Shot?"; These are but a few of the things that run through your mind.
Another trait you must have, or learn through practice, would be your awareness. You need to know what every sound around you is likely to be, and how to react to these sounds. Your senses of hearing and memorizing these noises must be very good, because if you are a true Airsoft sniper, you will more than likely be wearing a Ghillie Suit, and for those of you that have used Ghillie suits for Airsoft before know, Ghillie suit hoods can hamper your hearing slightly to signifcantly, depending on the composition of the materials used in your Ghillie. So, now, your wearing your Ghillie, and a group of 5 enemies is walking along a trail.. one of the enemies looks directly at you from about 45 yards away. Do you try and take the shot? Do you move to avoid confrontation? If you answered "Yes" to either of these, your are mistaken. If the enemy is more than 20 yards away, it is very unlikely that he is actually going to see you if you are wearing a ghillie and in a relatively good position. Yes the natural instict is "Oh my gosh, he knows I'm here, I've gotta either A.) Take a shot at him; B.) Start to fallback to another position.
If you are confident that the enemy has seen you, the best thing to do is wait and verify this. If the enemy fires more than a round within 15ft. of your position in the same general timeframe, then it would be best to get up and start hauling tail. However, if he is capping off BB's here and there, in your vicinity, but not within 20 ft. or so, dismiss these shots, because he is simply trying to flush you out.
But, enough of going off into help topics on sniping, the subject is, are you Airsoft Sniping material. A Airsoft sniper should go into a mission knowing that he should expect to only have 1 good shot at his target, and then plan on being compromised and exposed to enemy automatic fire. You should always be able to have a plan A, a plan B, and the seemlingy never needed plan C.
It boils down to a few main facts; If you can deal with the following, then you should consider the Airsoft Sniper role.
- Patience, You Must Have Plenty Of This - Awareness, You Must Always Be Aware Of Your Surroundings. - Any Good Airsoft Sniper Will More Than Likely Construct His Own Ghillie Suit. (Note: This Takes Some Money, and a lot of Time, if you want to do it right) - You Have To Refrain From Compromising Yourself At Any Time. - You Are The Kind Of Person That Prefers Semi-Auto or Bolt Action Airsoft Rifles Over Full-Auto Ones.
- Lastly, You should be able to deal with the overwhleming heat of wearing a 10lb Ghillie suit, plus carrying all your gear, and then add in the factors of waiting possibly hours for the enemy to emerge into your sector, all the while having to lie perfectly still while you want to itch and flick all those annoying bugs and briars.
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leanpocket25
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Post by leanpocket25 on Oct 22, 2003 20:04:33 GMT -5
Thanks grunt ;D
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Post by Munin on Oct 24, 2003 14:14:46 GMT -5
I have to respectfully disagree with Grunt on one aspect: that "airsoft snipers" are few and far between. Well, maybe real airsoft snipers are few and far between, but wannabes seem to abound.
I have noticed a trend lately on MiA, AO, and a couple other boards: newbies who want to go straight into sniping. While I don't think that there's inherently anything wrong with this per se, I always get a chuckle when I see a newbie with more money than sense show up to a field with a brand new, tricked out sniper rifle.
A sniper is not made by his weapon of choice, but rather by his skills. Any idiot can take an APS2, buy the upgrades to make it shoot 500+ fps, and bring it to a game. Does that make them a sniper? Similarly, any idiot can buy a ghillie suit. Does that make them a sniper. The answer to both questions is "absolutely not." Sniping is about abilities and mission role.
Sniping is about moving stealthily into position, observing the setting and terrain in detail, and providing support (be it through direct fires or intelligence) to your team. It is about choosing your shots, not shooting anything that moves. It is about opting to fire in such a way that you remain undetected even after you have taken your shot(s). It takes patience above all things.
But a lot of newbies don't realize that there are a number of downsides to sniping. The engagement limit is the first and most obvious, and too many newbies get around it by ignoring it. If you cannot or will not observe proper safety, you have no business using an upgraded airsoft replica.
But more important than the engagement limit is the concept that there are a lot of games out there where sniping is more or less inappropriate. There are fields that are so small that sniping confers no benefit (as anybody with an AEG can effectively shoot to most areas of the field). There are fields with so much cover (be it manmade or natural) that most engagements take place at very close quarters. Conversely, there are fields with minimal cover and/or concealment, making stealth more or less pointless. And there are games and scenarios where the time limit is too short to allow a sniper to effectively move into position by stealth.
What this means is that there are a lot of games where that $600-$900 long arm you've purchased is almost but not quite completely useless, and will certainly be of less utility than a standard AEG firing 300-400 fps. And in some extreme cases (like CQB-only games) you'll be sitting out. In fact, most of the people that I know who are experienced airsoft snipers also have an AEG for use during those "other" kinds of games (a la frostee's SR-16).
So before you make your entry into the game by styling yourself as a "sniper," do yourself (and everybody else) a favor: buy yourself an AEG and play airsoft for a while before going into sniping. If nothing else, it will give you a chance to practice your fieldcraft and observation skills.
I have far more respect for a player who can take a standard AEG into the field and snipe with it than I do for a player who simply buys a high-powered replica and plays as though he were using an AEG.
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Post by BFT on Oct 26, 2003 22:00:21 GMT -5
Very well put Munin
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Grunt22
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Post by Grunt22 on Oct 28, 2003 6:43:00 GMT -5
Nice words Munin, and well, I must agree on your statement. I was trying to imply that "airsoft snipers" ... meant those who are actually committed to the job, and the practice it takes to maintain the proper abilities to perform that job correctly and effeciently.
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