OMFG! This tread is going no where. Tex, me, Livonia and many many other people gave our suggestions. If trigger doesn't want to follow it, then shame on him...he'll learn the hard way.
Trigger, I'm amazed that you asked us questions, but don't respect our opinions. Because if you did, we wouldn't be on PAGE 4 of this thread! We all know who the experienced players are, and who knows their stuff and doesn't. So, if you think you know more than some of us 'experienced' players, then great...don't ask us anymore.
Am I a bit upset, hell ya. There is no need for this crap, 4 pages of stuff you could look up on your own, but choose not to, and rather to turn this into a long debate about not wanting to spend $350, and then claiming your $80 rifle is da bomb. If you want put your $80 rifle to the test, show up and play against us. If you want something top of the line, save yourself the money and they get the L96 or a M700.
Either way. You got our opinions and more. Respect the comments and the time spent on this thread, now take some time and research, then get what you think is the best. Game Over.
Last Edit: Oct 8, 2007 16:51:25 GMT -5 by SkyPilot
I respect all of your comments I honestly do, and don't doubt it for a second. First I read your views, and I agree with them. At the time of starting this thread however I was curious to know about other alternatives. All since now moot with a screwed up AEG
Second I never claimed my AEG was "da bomb" I stated I was very pleased with it's performance and durability for it's price. It's a stock 290-320fps AEG that's all, 100% stock, and against other similar stock AEG's there's no real feeling of disadvantage. That's all nothing more, nothing less. I merely brought it up to point out that you don't HAVE to spend uber dollars. Same with using a UTG instead of a Maruzen.
If you want to get pushy then here: Your opinions are fine, but facts would be better. Knowing why something is "crap" how it's "crap" is helpful. "It's crap, buy this, this, and this" is not helpful it's waffling.
Once I can get the AEG back up, I'll be looking into either a M700, or building one from scratch.
Inferior parts made of inferior material. Inferior craftsmanship. Little to no quality control. Little to no upgrade/repair parts available. CHINESE CLONE RIP OFF. Mag's feed like horse crap. Hopup is absolute trash, expect it to need replacing within 3months of moderate use (1-2000 rounds).
And a maruzen is... absolutely none of those or the exact opposite. Similar to how a TM will last 4+ years of moderate - heavy use while your AGM lasted 1 with minimal....
I should slap you for saying "build one for scratch." Why? B/c your main question revolves around money and building anything from scratch costs a minute fortune.
See now that's a helpful post. The question is answered, quite well I might add, telling what can happen, what the future holds, what can/can't be done if something happens.
meh who knows now, I really can't say how long the AGM would have lasted had I not screwed it up (it was user error plain and simple). Trust me there are ways to break a TM in a year.
Building my own: Well that depends, I have some very good friends in the raw materials business, I also have access to quality tools, it may cost a bit more but it can be drawn out (which at least in the mind makes it "feel" cheaper) and be a better challenge in the long run.
I've been to Texas, I know Texans, there are just certain things you do
EDIT: For the record I started working on the gearbox, I will admit Tex was right. Not that the gear quality itself was bad, the design was bad. Unlike most gears which are solid, the 3rd gear on mine was mostly hollow. Enough stress from dry-fire would break it (and it did). So now all I'm gonna need is a gear set. hey quality control can be a problem with anything, CA a big name brand as well, I've got a friend with a downed CA36 (yeah we like our H&K) with a fried trigger system.
To my knowledge, dry firing does not effect the gears, but rather, the gearbox shell. Reason being, it does not have a bb to push against with air, so instead of hitting the end of the gearbox pushing a large amount of air through the tiny nozzle, slowed due to a bb closing that seal, it slams the end of the box with full force, thus, increasing wear significantly on the shell. I really cannot fathom how this would effect the gears.
And Quality Control was a big problem with CA in the past with certain models which they have fixed on most of their models.
a combination may have done it. Stress on the shell, and gears, a good weak point in the gear's original manufacturing, the design (which I'm not too fond of) or all of the above.
Hmm I've seen recent reviews of CA products with this problem, how long ago have you heard of issues? I've seen/heard of problems up till middle of this year.
And just to cool down the ice, After I repair my AEG either: cheaper UTG MK96 or expensive 1. Maruzen L96 2. CA8-2 both are in the same price range. The CA8-2 is marketed as a "sniper gun." Though as you may know the CA8-2 is another AEG, the good side is its part of the G36 family. And the extra money saved could be used to make the thing quieter.
Oh digging around for gun prices I came across a TSD L96, from the last round of TSD reviews they seem to be making a decent name for themselves, but for the price?
Every 60 seconds another noob is calling himself a sniper ~ Add this to your sig if you agree with this
So true, so true.
Seriously though, id save the money for the CA or Maruzen. I had my L96 for a good three months, worked great at first, dont get me wrong, but I noticed when I was at Rolling Thunder, that preformance started to go down as did accuracy and it gave me more head achs then any other gun I have owned. I was getting outranged by AEGs and it really discuraged me from being a "Sharpshooter" at the bigger Ops and that. I hear the Tanaka M700s are great and I personally got to use the Tanaka M700 ACIS at Blind Fury IV and was very very impressed with that rifle. Grant you its around 450+ dollars, but the durability and reliability you get out of the more expensive rifles are worth it. I mean my stock Echo 1 would outrange my L96 85% of the time. But its your money, but I strongly would consider getting something else. The KJW M700 is what I believe that Skypilot uses and theyre good guns too, but in the long run, you will be spending the same amount of money on 1 or 2 UTG/TSD/AGM/What ever other company makes them for the price of 1 stock Maruzen or Tanaka. Dont take me as being an ass, but I just dont want to see someone getting screwed or having problems with a UTG when they could have gotten a better rifle and that.
I stuck it in as that's what I truly believe. If you say you're a sniper you have no idea what a "sniper" really is. Pure and simple truth.
looking at my AEG (or what's left of it) it makes way too much noise to be a DM rifle, what's some good way to cut down on the noise? I really do like the idea of getting a CA SL8 mainly as the parts would work with my XM8 and the other G36 series guns my buddies use (I like the idea if I get pissed, switch roles and drive a drum mag into em). But as a DM rifle it'd give me away the second I shot (assuming there's not much ambient noise).
P.S. I believe I saw the Tanaka M700 for $600 USD, at least on one site...
Honestly, a "quiet" sniper rifle doesn't make a whole lot of difference. If you're shooting at someone that can hear your mechbox, and aren't absolutely terrible, they're going to notice the first miss that whizzes by their head. Yeah, it helps some with keeping your location hidden, but I can honestly say I've never had a problem locating a sniper that missed me with his first shot.
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skypilot181: I don't know where you think you get your attitude but you're sadly mistaken. How many times do I have to repeat myself to the thick headed ones. This is not another recommend me a uber (quality) sniper rifle thread, never was from the start. I wanted to know if there were any cheap (still good quality) alternatives to the big guns (ie Maruzen, Tanaka, etc). But all you did was go off on your oh-so-high-and-mighty horse. Obviously the only one worth it was the UTG MK96 which from the reviews I had read wasn't so hot. All that was needed was something to replace my AEG as a sniper rifle, as I've said many times, and every DM out there will agree, stealth is a key, I don't really enjoy lugging a AEG around for a DMR (though it does work).
If you don't have anything constructive to say keep your mouth shut, you're just making yourself out to be an (use your imagination here).
Xoas, DM rule: one shot one kill but that's hoping for too much in airsoft sometimes. Since airsoft is a imitation of actual warfare though, the idea as a DM using a AEG is unrealistic, a cock-and-pull rifle is realistic, and at least for me more fun to use. I must admit though the CA8-2 is a tempting alternative.....
as I've said many times, and every DM out there will agree, stealth is a key, I don't really enjoy lugging a AEG around for a DMR (though it does work).
I am definitely what one would consider a DM. Far from a "sniper" and definitely a DM. And I cannot recall the last time I was stealthy, but I can remember the last time I racked up more kills than I could count, and considered mounting a little counter on my gun so I could actually keep track.
ah well was going to edit this in but Tex got to posting before I could. Once talking with a Marine "Sniper" we were discussing the role of a "sniper" on the battlefield and the difference between a sniper and a designated marksman. Sniper: a person that is foolhardy, camps, generally a child (or acts like one), snipes for just the killing spree it brings (ie not getting shot or shot back at), and pays no attention to strategy and teamwork. Designated marksman: Obviously the exact opposite, but to clarify. a DM works with his squad, plays a supporting role rather than an offensive role (though at the same time it's technically an offensive role), is there for his team and their strategy.
The role of a DM is to take out key targets when needed, support his squad in such a manor as to ensure their safety. Usually this means they don't get as many kills in comparison to sat an assualt, but he/she has played a key part in the team's victory.
Adjusted to fit airsoft terms but you get the idea.