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Post by Distinct on Oct 6, 2007 9:10:20 GMT -5
I started using the UTG M324 when I converted from Paintball to Airsoft. Right away I knew the idea of patiently waiting for my targets was for me, then I saved up some coin, did a few odd jobs, and picked up an insane ROF M41FS offizier. After a few upgrades and tweeks, I've made mine be able to outshoot just about any UTG sniper out there, and almost be in comparison with the higher upgraded ones, full auto is soon to be disenguaged, and I'm going to drop maybe a 300% spring into it, because I want to be shooting just as far as the snipers out there. But I just did gradual modifications to my gun, so that I could know for sure that sniping was what I wanted, and at most for an upgrade I would spend maybe $20, so it wasn't the biggest deal to toss it if need be. Enjoy your UTG though, if you find that your getting a lot of kills with it and enjoying the moment, keep shooting that until you have enough for a Maruzen, and shoot a PM to either Livonia or Tex. They have a lot of experience with sniper rifles and they can tell you just about anything that you'd need to know. Thanks man, I converted from paintball to airsoft also and had 5 years on the semi pro level, just got boring after a while and with speedball there are no tactics and what not and with hoping to get a job as SWAT, I like the tactics side of things. If I like sniping as much as I think I will then I will shoot for a SWAT Marksman. Anyways.... I actually talked to Livonia already about the two guns (UTG & Maruzen) and he suggested to do exactly what im doing and start with something smaller and work my way up, I dont plan on shooting the UTG for a real long period of time. I had the Maruzen in the shopping cart ready to put in the credit card information and I thought id hit up Livonia and see what he suggests. I hope I like sniping, it appeals to me before I even pick up the rifle and put on the ghillie.
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Post by Mosin on Oct 6, 2007 9:19:40 GMT -5
Heh... I used to play semi pro as well, what team did you play for?
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Post by Tex on Oct 6, 2007 9:32:45 GMT -5
If I like sniping as much as I think I will then I will shoot for a SWAT Marksman. El oh el. You seem to be under the impression that airsoft "sniping" is remotely close to real steel. You are quite quite mistaken. The two are nothing alike. If you want to be a SWAT Marksman, and haven't gone through training yet... you may want to stay away from airsoft "sniping" for it will teach you some bad habits that will be hard to break.
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Post by triggs on Oct 6, 2007 13:20:29 GMT -5
Ok let's end this right here right now: Yes I realize the Maruzen is the "pro" level sniper rifle, I knew that long before I even started this thread, I've used it and I liked the job it came with. But! I cannot afford a $350+ rifle it's just not in the budget. In all truth I've had very good luck with Ebay in itself for buying airsoft guns. The only exception would be that I bought from magicclub (aka Evike) but I did get everything (after a lot of hassle). I started this thread not to get bashed for looking for a cheaper alternative, I was (and still am) looking for information on the rifle listed here: cgi.ebay.com/450-FPS-Airsoft-METAL-AWP-L96-SNIPER-RIFLE-Gun-OD-GREEN_W0QQitemZ150167129195QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6463Now it lists some odd things - 1 x AWP L96 FULL METAL Premium Airsoft AEG Rifle in OD Green - Magazine - BB Speedloader - Tactical Sling - Starter Pack of BB's - Manufacturer: This AEG is made by AGM. + METAL BOLT, METAL TRIGGER, METAL HOP UP SYSTEM, METAL BARREL, METAL SIGHTS, + METAL threaded weaver mount, compatible with most scopes + PRECISION BARREL FOR HIGH PERFORMANCE + FEELS JUST LIKE THE REAL THING. + Adjustable hop up please knock off the bashing, there are certain things in life that take money away from hobbies. Fortunately UTG reviews are abundant, no I won't be considering a UTG, WELL, or BE I wish to save a bit of money but that is going too far, too erratic in quality. If anyone has this rifle I'd like to know if it's true or not. P.S. If you truely are a DM your rifle will not be seeing massive amounts of work anyways. "Sniping" takes time and patience, not the infantry running around.
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Post by Mosin on Oct 6, 2007 13:34:38 GMT -5
Well.. I'm a sniper and I usually rack in 30-40 kills in a day, sometimes more. There is a difference between real sniping and airsoft, but to answer your questions, I've seen one of those shoot, and I can tell you that a MKII Socom shoots farther. I wouldn't use one of those guns for any reason other than looks or just to have a gun to not care about. But if you persist that you'll be a sniper I'd suggest saying screw the whole L96 loadout and get a Tanaka M700, they shoot pretty nice and they aren't $350+ dollars.
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Post by Яoman on Oct 6, 2007 13:36:02 GMT -5
Trigger thats not true about massive amounts of fire because your the designated marksman. Your the guy that runs with a squad that takes out individual targets for the better of the team. You dont have a sniper unit to call on to help you out. You spot an M60 on top of the hill along with 3 other guys. 2 Have M16 and the Other has an MP5 and is a medic. Who do you shoot?
Your team is hidden and well covered in case of a firefight.
THAT is when you call on your DM to try and make that shot on the medic so they cannot be healed and you can take that hill and get the highground.
I was in this exact position at the SFOD Rec Game but we didnt know how many people where there. We knew that an M60 was on the hill giving a rain of BBs and I was told to sneak around and try to pick off the M60. Skypilot was on the hill talking to some of them so I took the oportunity to sneak around the hill and try to blind side them from the right (their left). Skypilot came down the hill, saw me, and told me that they dont even see me. Skypilot was help manage the game he wasnt participating. I took a shot at the m60 missed and the round hit the assault unit with an m16 next to him. I was a DM for the rec game. I sniped at Operation: Meltdown and it was 2 completely different experiences.
NOW You have posted the same damn weapon, same damn link, and same damn specs as the 3 times prior and the answer is still going to be the same. GET THE UTG OR SAVE UP.
Dont want to listen? Go ahead and buy the thing and they see how you like it. We cant make the decision for you, YOU DO. So please either take the advice or stop posting the same thing over and over again.
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Post by triggs on Oct 6, 2007 13:51:09 GMT -5
You want to get aggravated fine. BUT YOU SEEM TO HAVE THE WRONG IDEA. All I'm looking for now is information on that particular rifle. NOT a repeated bashing and the Maruzen is god. I AM MERELY LOOKING FOR INFO ON THE AGM L96. I KNOW the Maruzen L96 is going to be the best L96 model out there. If I could I would, but I can't so I merely want information before I consider waiting (a long time). I don't want to sound like completely rude here, but I KNOW THE MARUZEN IS THE BEST, ALL I WISH FOR IS INFORMATION ON THE AGM L96 Do I make myself clear soldier? EDIT: noticed another L96 model by TSD anyone have info on this one? Yes that is the same link. Why? Simple All I get is the same answer every time. Get the Maruzen, get the Maruzen. I know the Maruzen is good, I just need the information before I make a decision.
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Post by Tex on Oct 6, 2007 14:03:59 GMT -5
The AGM is crap. It will act just like any other clone. The best L96 Clone is the UTG (happens to be the priciest too). End of story. AGM = clone w/ VSR Internals (thanks Oakey). If you honestly think you can get anything decent for $80... yeah... Get a UTG if you want a cheap L96. If you want something better, buy a KJW M700, there's even one for sale in the commerce section for just $150, it's gas powered, but a nice peice. Please, listen to the information I just gave you. It's honest and unbiased. If you ignore it or blow it off, I am known for being a rude individual
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Post by Mosin on Oct 6, 2007 14:13:27 GMT -5
Oh, and as Skypilot said.. Ghillie suit with an MP5 is possible, I pulled it off at Aurora:
[img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/[749]PFC_Cowboy/Me1.jpg"]
[img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/[749]PFC_Cowboy/me2.jpg"]
[img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/[749]PFC_Cowboy/MeandLivonia.jpg"]
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Post by triggs on Oct 6, 2007 14:13:49 GMT -5
Well I was hoping for a more detailed review UTG is noted for being a bit random in it's quality. Some reviews say the MK96 is good, others say it's bad. I don't honestly think I can get a decent gun for $80, but my $90 AGM XM8 is a champ that's why I'd even consider something that cheap in price (most cases being that cheap of price = cheap quality) But if it acts like any other clone what would honestly seperate it from the UTG, I've seen a lot of people argueing the UTG is a AGM (or it could be a Well depending on your luck)
personally (and it's just my personal experiance) I prefer the spring over gas (well unless I build a Berret in which case it will probably end up a gas) Tex: your not comming off as rude, it your opinion and you're entitled to it. I just was hoping I could get an opinion from somebody that owns (or has owned) the AGM model. but alas so far it's just been one big bashing fest.
Never bothered with the Ghilie suit but that's pretty much me with my XM8 (and the thing is long).
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Post by Tex on Oct 6, 2007 14:20:24 GMT -5
That's because the AGM is newer(every clone company wants in on the cheap snipers b/c hey, all the kids want one) where as the UTG has been out for a while. I personally owned a UTG and can support how low quality it was. Low $$ = Low Quality... everytime.
And honestly, how long have you had the XM8? Quality Control is absolutely horrid with clones, with all clones, so sometimes you get a golden one, but often you get the lemon.
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Post by Mosin on Oct 6, 2007 14:21:28 GMT -5
Sorry if it appeared as though we bashed, it's just that too many kids these days call themselves a sniper and have no idea what they're doing. Then after about a month or two you see them saying "WTS: UTG L96" in the commerce thread because they realised it wasn't for them. Livonia said that when he started there was only one real sniper, and that was Frostee, now.. Just about one in every four kids are a sniper or counter-sniper.
I've shot the UTG L96 and I've also shot a Maruzen and a Tanaka and just about any other brand name sniper, L96's aren't bad for woodland, just remember not to put .3's in there, because your shooting 420 FPS stock, putting a .3 in there will drop her down to the 300's, and at a long range people will hardly feel it, so my advice is if you get it buy .23g bb's or .28's.
I've never shot that AGM one or whatever, but I'd imagine the same thing, just remember that it's compatible with Maruzen parts, so should you want to upgrade, you can do it fairly easy. My advice would be after buying it if your not dead on get a tightbore, then a new trigger housing and assembly, then a few other things. I don't own a sniper rifle, but I am on a team that had 5/6 snipers. So I'm around them a lot.
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Post by Tex on Oct 6, 2007 14:26:00 GMT -5
I've never shot that AGM one or whatever, but I'd imagine the same thing, just remember that it's compatible with Maruzen parts, so should you want to upgrade, you can do it fairly easy. My advice would be after buying it if your not dead on get a tightbore, then a new trigger housing and assembly, then a few other things. I don't own a sniper rifle, but I am on a team that had 5/6 snipers. So I'm around them a lot. AGM = VSR compatible And even then, you're not guarunteed that the part will work... If you want to spend $80 on a clone rifle, sniping is not your calling.
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Post by Mosin on Oct 6, 2007 14:39:08 GMT -5
Oh.. Like I said, never shot it. So I mean, I assumed it was just like the UTG, oh well. But yeah, if $80 is your budget don't snipe.
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Post by triggs on Oct 6, 2007 14:40:24 GMT -5
Tex: like I said, was hoping for a review off someone that had it. I have owned my XM8 for only a year or so, but I've used it enough to destroy the body (and get a new replacement), but the internals themselves are still working properly. For the other stock TM/CA's I've played against I don't feel out-gunned or feel like I got a POS in my hands. I guess I just got lucky........
Mosin: I realize that it seems like another noob, I've been in airsoft for 3yrs though (maybe that still qualifies as a n00b), but I've been sniping with what I have (AEG XM8). I have played with Maruzen L96's (the way we play is you die your gun becomes available if you want) and the gun was fine (no likes or dis-likes) but I fell in love with the job/responsibilities it came with, perhaps I just like the mentality and the methodicalness (I have nothing else to say what a word) that comes with a DM position.
back to Tex: I actually did a lot of researching before I started this thread, I was able to at least get an idea that the AGM has VSR internals. However, I didn't check into if VSR parts are easy to get or of decent quality (some info there?) And it's not that I WANT to spend $80 on a rifle, I'm more or less curious if those that own/shot (a lot) the AGM L96 could give it a thumbs up or thumbs down. Come to think of it, even if the internals fail, or I should say when. what's to say just rip the internals and use Maruzen parts.
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