I'm a poor ass n00b but i have to get into this game. I never knew it exsisted but always wished it did. I can only really afford a spring rifle and/or pistol but I need to know what the best models/manufacturers are. I mean the BEST. I dont wanna have to risk getting Queery McGay Crap like my electric berretta. I'm currently looking at a XM-177 rifle and a heavy weight KWC p-99. Oh, and one more thing, how quickly does the average GBB pistol run outta gas? and how much is gas? AND are there any good electric pistols?
Last Edit: Sept 20, 2002 10:15:47 GMT -5 by Icarus
Yay, i get to explain airsoft to a newb! sorry, I have nothing else to say First off, if you can, SAVE FOR AN AEG!!! Second, DONT BUY AN ELECTRIC PISTOL!!! third, DONT BUY A SPRING RIFLE!!!! Personally, i could do a whole lot more damage with a spring pistol than i coul with either a spring rifle or electric pistol. The only good spring rifles in my opinion are the more expensive sniper rifles like the aps2 or the classic army m24 soccom. I wouldnt waste anymore money on electric pistols!!! Also, a great spring gun is the benelli shotgun that is without the stock made by tokyo marui. We call it the "ouch" shotgun. It has pierced a hole in my friends ear and it is ve4ry accurate. In my opinion, i would first save up for an aeg. Or buy a nice gas pistol and gas. Gas is 15$ and lasts about 100 clips. Each charge of gas will last about two clips. They are good for close quartes and are very powreful. That might run you about 100$ dependingon the gun. But if you can, save up for an aeg rather than uptating your armory slowly. anymore questions? derick muskegon.airsoft.network
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First, ebb's and mini's are garbage. any springer will beat the hell out of them easily. you don't have to worry about getting that kind of crap from pretty much any springer.
If all you want or can afford is a spring rifle, and there is no possibility to save more money, then that is what it must be. The two "spring rifles" mentioned by derick do not fall under the catagory of spring rifle. They are high end sniper rifles. They will run about 300 give or take, well outside of your current budget. and if you were to spend that money towards a gun, you would not want a sniper rifle. They only slightly out perform a stock AEG and need an extra 300-500 dollars worth of upgrading to make them effective. Check with frostee, the resident sniper here to see how much he put into his rifle.
so, spring rifles now. The XM is one of the better spring rifles available. the UHC mp5 is also one of the top springers available. Neither will compare to either an aeg or gbb. They lack power, range, and ROF. you'll want to stay away from anything made by Y&P or Academy. Both companies suck...a lot, and this holds true for AEGs (and i don't think either makes gbb's, but if they do, they will suck too).
If you decide to go for a GBB, you will need a budget of about 150-200 to get a skirmish viable gbb. The KJW m9, or USP line are the only good guns taht can be had for under 100. you will then need to add in a spare mag or two (very important if it is your only gun). Then add in gas.
Gas isn't too expensive and it last quite a while. The "about 100 clips" statement is inaccurate as well as "Each charge of gas will last about two clips".
How many fills you get out of one bottle depends on a variety of things. First, the size of the bottle. green gas tends to come in larger bottles, so if you get a gun that uses green gas (taiwanese guns) then you will get more gas per bottle and that alone will alter the figure derick sighted. The temperature, gun, and your own efficieny at filling all significantly impact how many charges you get out of one can of gas.
How many mags per charge also varies greatly from gun to gun, temperature, gas type, and whether or not you get a 100% full mag. My KSC glock 19 gets over 3 mags per full charge in warm weather. i haven't had a chance to test it out in cold weather because i haven't had it long enough. It will drop significantly though, as well as in power.
AS you've stated, you're interested in either an M9, or a pP99.
As far as M9's go, most companies make them and most are fine. TM's, KSC's, and KJW's are all good and within your price range. The KWC light weight might look like a good deal, but it's garbage, stay away from that one. if you're interested in a higher quality gun, check out the WA, but the price tag reflects the extra quality, so that's probably out for you.
AS for p99's i'm not too well acquainted with these models from the various manufacturers, so i'll link you to a good read about them.
look into the posts by DumboRAT. he's also the guy that wrote the Newbie FAQ that i linked you to earlier. He's knows pertty much any basic questions, and most more difficult questions.
Typically, most gbb companies don't make a heavy weight and light weight version of their guns like springer companies do. KWC does make a heavy and light weight version of a few of their guns. the light weight versions are crap, but the heavy weights tend to be decent.
KSC also makes "hardkick" versions of their guns, but i don't know what the difference is between those and the normal versions of the guns.
any skirmish viable gbb will out perform any spring rifle (not counting the high end sniper rifles) in accuracy, ROF (being as gbb's are semi automatic) and range. They are a much better option to skirmish with.
It seems as though you're probably not going to save up for an AEG, but if you do, search around on the other forums i linked you to earlier and search around. Make sure you use the search function, it's a powerful tool.
Once again, i can't stress the importance of reading that Newbie FAQ, atleast the parts on the various types of guns and bbs.
I'm not sure if he linked the gas primer in that as well, so i'll give it to you here.
Someone mention my name jdl_9th is quite correct in his assessment of the monies needed to upgrade one of the higher end sniper rifles. Unless you are quite set upon playing a sniper role and have the patience to wait for the good shot opportunities I would highly recommend staying away from bolt action airsoft guns. Whatever the amount you spend buying the bolt action you can count on spending at least one and a half times more to get it to consistently outperform a decent AEG. And then you have the cost of a scope and rings. The bb's end up costing less simply because a bag of 1000 will last you quite a while with a bolt action (even with weekly practicing to keep the skills sharp). So, think long and hard before you make the commitment. ;D
Post by acidflash666 on Sept 21, 2002 8:26:36 GMT -5
for a n00b i would get a KSC M11A1, i got mine for 110 buxs and have had no problems with it. you can get 2 - 1000ml cans off ebay for $14 and get a bag of 3700 excel bb's for $12, that'll last a while as long as your not shooting full auto all the time ;D