MWC Retail
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APS2
Oct 10, 2002 18:04:02 GMT -5
Post by MWC Retail on Oct 10, 2002 18:04:02 GMT -5
hey guys, im looking at an APS2 within the next few months. i want to upgrade it with an M130. what all do i need for that? any new internals?
frostee, what % spring does I'm too lazy to spell a full word out. Please mock me. sniper rifle have? did u have to put any new internals in it?
sorry for all the questions i just wanna get my facts straight
-Mike
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APS2
Oct 10, 2002 19:07:41 GMT -5
Post by Bigmack on Oct 10, 2002 19:07:41 GMT -5
the springs are different for APS rifles...they use the variable pitch variety for the PSG-1 rifle.
if you're looking to upgrade the APS to that level, expect to spend another 200-300 dollars on reinforced parts.
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Oct 10, 2002 19:21:21 GMT -5
Post by frostee on Oct 10, 2002 19:21:21 GMT -5
If you're looking at the M130 spring that goes into an AEG you're looking at the wrong springs. Springs for the bolt actions are twice as long. My advice to you is to look at the PDI upgrade kits like the ones sold at Airsoft Extreme. In the kit you'll get a slightly better cylinder, a new spring guide, a stronger spring, a much better piston/piston head, and new cylinder nozzle. Some kits come with a new/reinforced bolt lever, but those are used with the extremely strong springs. Remember that you had a difficult time working my bolt lever so the maximum spring you'll want to use is a PDI 150%. This should put you somewhere around 450 fps with .25's. Before you make the purchase please consider that you'll be limiting yourself to only a few shots per scenario. I have yet to use more than 75 rounds in a day. Working as a sniper may seem like fun, but the truth is you have only one or two shots before someone figures out where you're at and starts to lay in some automatic fire on your position. And, despite what anyone says, automatic fire still rules the day around here. Unless you have a playing field that allows for great long shots and has some good hides you'll probably be putting yourself at a disadvantage. Now, if that doesn't discourage you and you still want to spend the money on a bolt action rather than an upgraded AEG then the APS2 is definitely a good way to go. Don't rule out an APS2 OR either. The OR has a longer outer barrel and I think the inner is longer too. If the stock inner isn't longer I'm positive that you can get a longer 6.04 inner for it. The OR has iron sights, but you can still put a scope on it. You can see what the APS's are modeled after if you do a search for Steyr SSG's. Lastly, if you do decide to get an APS let me know and I'll PM you some tips on getting it set up properly.
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MWC Retail
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Oct 10, 2002 19:35:18 GMT -5
Post by MWC Retail on Oct 10, 2002 19:35:18 GMT -5
im definately going APS. anyway, whats the strongest spring you can put in without buting reinforced parts? could ya tell me how far the stock APS fires? one last question, sry for so many of them. can you put a scope on the regular APS2?
EDIT: where can i get the APS2 OR?
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APS2
Oct 10, 2002 20:31:33 GMT -5
Post by Hadoken on Oct 10, 2002 20:31:33 GMT -5
Really wish you would try an APS2 (or any other bolt action airsoft rifle for that matter) before you went out and bought one. I'm not saying it's a bad rifle, quite the opposite actually as it's amazing. In the right hands it's deadly, but in the wrong hands it pretty much makes you a big target. Don't take this the wrong way but after seeing your playing style I kinda have an idea why you'd want to be a sniper. I know you're not too fond of the whole getting hit aspect of airsoft so you might be thinking if you were a sniper you'll be able to stay away from the major fire fights and fend off your foes from a distance. Just as Frostee mentioned though you'll only have one or two shots before someone figures out where you are and then you'll take a much harder bb beating as your location will be peppered with zooming plastic. Or even worse, you might get taken out from close range by some sneaky Robo-esque player. Add to that the cost of internal upgrades, scope,scope mount, heavier and more expensive bb's all I can really say to all that is something you've already said before. "It's just not worth it." But, that's just my opinion. If you're set on this sniper idea I still think you should at least give a rifle a try before you bought anything. You really should try pulling the bolt back too, being the younger and weaker lad that you are you might have some difficulty in that department. Sheesh, I'm really negative today eh. Aah just get what you want. hehe
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APS2
Oct 10, 2002 20:36:05 GMT -5
Post by frostee on Oct 10, 2002 20:36:05 GMT -5
Most retailers recommend getting the reinforced bolt lever with the PDI 250% spring. But, the bolt lever and other parts may fail even with a weaker spring if you don't work the action properly and maintain it properly.
If you were considering putting just a spring in without the other components like the new cylinder, spring guide, piston, etc, don't. First, you would need to either make or buy the special cylinder nozzle remover tool to do anything to the stock cylinder. Secondly, you're trying to maximize the spring's potential and to do that you should use the parts that reduce the friction, push the air better, and allow the spring to compress and expand properly.
Since there is no motor on the bolt action the force needed to cock/set the spring comes from the strength and leverage capabilities of the user. That means you. To correctly work the bolt action you must be able to firmly grasp the entire bolt lever as well as the aft end of the actual bolt as you pull it straight, straight, straight back. I emphasis this because failure to pull the bolt action properly will increase the stress placed on the bolt, bolt lever, and cylinder and will cause premature wear and breakage. Pulling the bolt back properly with a very strong spring requires a good deal of strength and leverage. Certain shooting positions may become more difficult due to the leverage required to work the bolt action.
APS shooting distance varies with the upgrade. With a PDI 150% spring I would guess you could make a 50-60 yard shot on a man sized target with absolutely no problem.
If you get the APS you'll want to chuck the scope mount rail that comes with it (doesn't allow for typical Weaver style rings) and either buy the replacement for it (WGC has it) or if you're really handy with tools you can fit a Weaver 53 top mount base on it. The Weaver will require some modification and if you don't do it right it won't sit parallel to the receiver and you won't be able to sight your scope. Also, the largest scope you can fit with low mount rings will be a 40mm objective, but you want to make sure you get a low power scope. Anything over a 3X is going to narrow your field of view to much and you won't be able to keep track of moving targets effectively. If you just have to have a variable power scope try to get one that is 2 or 2.5 to 8 with something like a 32-40mm objective (2-8X32). That will let in enough light while keeping your field of view decent. You don't need a variable though, a nice 2 power or 2.5 is perfect for this type of stuff. Do some research in the airgun (airgun not airsoft) forums and you will be able to find reports on good short range.
*Man, I feel like I'm writing a book about this.*
Edit: After I finished writing this post I saw Hadoken's post. He's right on the money Mike. You should remember that you worked my bolt action and it was too stiff for you. That's why I recommended the PDI 150% or less and that's why I went into great detail about working the action. Its hard and its tiring and you should just make sure you know what you're getting into.
BTW, well said Hadoken.
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MWC Retail
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Oct 11, 2002 14:43:35 GMT -5
Post by MWC Retail on Oct 11, 2002 14:43:35 GMT -5
yea, i would probly just get a 150%. i talked to mike from WTS and he said that he wouls reccomend the CA M24 over the APS2. what do u guys think? i think that would be fine and he said it shoots 350 out of the box which will suit my needs for a bit till i upgrade. will THAT work with regular scope mounts?
hado, ive gotten shot at 10 feet from 150% AEG so no more BB fear for me! ;D im not gonna be a permanant sniper either thanks to some other FLAG memebers so it will just be at regular games.
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APS2
Oct 11, 2002 15:35:12 GMT -5
Post by sting on Oct 11, 2002 15:35:12 GMT -5
no bb fear? riiiiiight
anyway, mike i told you there was a lot that went into these guns. Not just the spring, gun, scope, rings, and mount.
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MWC Retail
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Oct 11, 2002 15:39:08 GMT -5
Post by MWC Retail on Oct 11, 2002 15:39:08 GMT -5
mike dolsen, shutup. I'm too lazy to spell a full word out. Please mock me. being mean lately so just dont talk to me.
anyway, lets stick to the topic. im leaning towards an M24 now, WTS has one in stock with weaver rail on it and i think i might get that one
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Oct 11, 2002 16:01:54 GMT -5
Post by Motown on Oct 11, 2002 16:01:54 GMT -5
I think'd be more practical just to get an M4, or something of that variety, upgrade it so it shoots a bit further, and put a scope on it. That way (depending what you do to it) you can always downgrade and use it as a regular skirmish weapon. If you buy a sniper rifle, that's what you're stuck with, and IMO a waste unless you will use it every skirmish.
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MWC Retail
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Oct 11, 2002 16:12:17 GMT -5
Post by MWC Retail on Oct 11, 2002 16:12:17 GMT -5
i have an XM with a red dot. my team's limit is 150% for nonsniper weapons. i have 2 AEGs and 2 Sidearms, im looking for a sniper for my last gun.
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Oct 11, 2002 17:43:40 GMT -5
Post by frostee on Oct 11, 2002 17:43:40 GMT -5
Well, I don't know if the CA M24 rail is set up to take regular Weaver style rings right out of the box or what, but I can tell you that both the APS and M24 will shoot about the same fps out of the box. I know there are slightly fewer upgrades for the M24 than there are for the APS. Cost is going to be about the same by the time you upgrade. The M24 is quite a bit heavier than the APS which can make for a tiring day. They're both nice rifles, so you almost can't go wrong. I've thought about getting the M24 myself.
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Oct 11, 2002 19:46:53 GMT -5
Post by MWC Retail on Oct 11, 2002 19:46:53 GMT -5
im going M24. WTS Mike is giving me a deal (since i spend SO much money there, ;D) $355 +tax for M24, 2200 .25's, sling, and 3x9x40 scope. nice deal. THANKS MIKE!!!
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Oct 11, 2002 22:09:05 GMT -5
Post by Cougar on Oct 11, 2002 22:09:05 GMT -5
I was shot from point blank by my brothers Steyr AUG that is upgraded to 400fps and we werent even playing. He thought that there were no bb's left in the chamber and he thought he would just come in the room and scare me. I had a wifebeater on and the barrel was about one inch away from my left pectorial when he pulled the trigger and put two in me. They went through my shirt and skin and I have scars now. It hurt like hell.
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Oct 11, 2002 22:16:44 GMT -5
Post by Minky on Oct 11, 2002 22:16:44 GMT -5
It's always so nice to hear about responsible players...
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