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Post by Joe Smith, AAM on Aug 13, 2002 18:31:42 GMT -5
My brother picked up a UHC Super 9 Pro sniper rifle but didn't get any kind of instructions or manual with it.
We can't figure out how to get the non-cartridge firing to work and have some other questions, if anyone could let me know how large the manual is and might be able to make a copy for me I would be happy to pay for the copying and postage.
It seems to be a nice gun, but we only have 4 of the plastic cartridges and as I said can't get the other mag to work.
Thanks, we are both still working with springers and are new to the sport.
-Joe Smith, Average American Motorist
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Post by Viking on Aug 13, 2002 18:44:06 GMT -5
Hmmm I don’t think that any of the current residence of MiA pack a Super 9, it’s not a gun that many of us like. However there use to be a member here named SniperWolf or something like that, he came out to one of my games a looong time ago and had one, you could try looking threw the members list and try emailing him. Also I think I saw a Super9 with MTASC’s sniper on their website, you could try go to the general forum and going into the MTASC thread I believe they have their site listed in there.
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Post by dicepackage on Aug 13, 2002 19:55:49 GMT -5
My brother has a Super 9 if I can find the manual I will scan you a copy
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Post by Joe Smith, AAM on Aug 13, 2002 22:46:47 GMT -5
Thanks dicepackage, it would be a great help! Viking, could you tell me more about the probs with the Super 9? Like I said, I'm just starting so there are a lot of things I don't know. Joe Smith, Average American Motorist
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Post by Bigmack on Aug 13, 2002 23:19:38 GMT -5
fixxed hopup set for .12's....limited upgradeability...horror stories about mis-bored barrels and bent barrels in new guns...compression loss in new guns. the list goes on and on.
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Post by Viking on Aug 13, 2002 23:39:19 GMT -5
Erm, I really hate doing this and this has to be discouraging for a new airsoft player specially after just spending aprox. 100 dollars on a gun.
Honestly, many others and myself feel the gun is just crap, harsh I know but I feel a very acceptable word. The guns are light and poorly made. Like Bigmack said its set for .12g bbs, which is … well… lets say this, it’s designed to be a sniper rifle… .12g bbs will go anywhere but their target in lightly breezy conditions. The lowest weight bb most players will ever put threw one of their guns is a .20g bb.
When SniperWolf or whatever his name was, OH! LONEWOLF! That’s the guy, anyway. When he brought his gun to the game I couldn’t help but to burst out laughing when I tried firing it. Erm its hard to explain, its um… hmm… UHC.
I understand your new and all but here is a heads up. If you brother is serious about sniping in airsoft he would be better off with an AEG made by Tokyo Marui (preferably, although there are other companies out there), or a dedicated spring sniper rifle like a APS or M24.
If you ever have any questions about a gun or need advice on what to buy before you buy it we are all ears. Your brother might end up liking his Super9 and I know of a few people who indeed enjoy the gun, but I will say this, its no CA M24 or Maruzen APS.
If you have money flowing out of your pockets and want a Classic Army version 2 M24 with all the goodies you will need for sniping like a scope and sling then I got the package for you. See the commerce section and go to Cheap Guns 4 Sale.
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Post by WTS-Mike on Aug 15, 2002 1:19:35 GMT -5
Hrmm,
Harsh.....
Actually the heads at UHC did some listening and in light of the jaded history of the Super 9, they have made some improvements in QC and the like.
The guns I have personally tested (yes we still sell them) shoot .25's the best, actually .23's will work but they tend t climb a little still. They prefer the heavier BB. I don't know where you came up with .12's, those will exit the barrel 8" and then hit you in the forehead from the aggressive hopup. (ok, maybe a little exagerated)
There is some truth in the quality/feel aspect though, in that the 9 doesn't hold a candle to an AEG in weight and feel, looks, etc.....but it is an OK gun to start with (they aren't $100 anymore either)
Viking, Maybe I need to show up at the next game and Own you with one to show you the improvements....... ;D
p.s. I have a manual around here somewhere, email me if you still need one
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Post by WTS-Mike on Aug 15, 2002 1:39:21 GMT -5
Ok, I reread and no one answered your question......they just railed on your gun.. the non cartridge method is easy. First take all of the plastic shells out of the rotary magazine & insert the adapter (brass and plastic spring loaded thing, kinda hex shaped on one end) into the chamber like a shell, with the plastic end toward the muzzle end, but make sure the hole in its side lines up with the hole in the left side of the gun (under the sliding "non-cartridge" magazine, which is removeable) ok, it will make more sense when you are looking at it. Now if your still with me, look at the side magazine by itself, I mean detach it and work with it alone (long rectangular spring loaded plastic dealy) Notice there is a small arrow on the end of the "stem" this is actually a "BB valve" of sorts, it will rotate if you are looking at the right part, turn it so that it points either left or right in relation to the long way of the magazine (in other word not in line with but cross-wise Now with the magazine in your hand, pull the spring tension lever back all the way, Now put BBs into the hole on the adjacent side of the magazine, if you release the spring, this will force BB's toward the end of the magazine with the "valve" If the BB's are forced out of the mag, this means the valve was not turned to a closed position (experiment) After you have done this and you have some bb's in the mag, then insert the valve end into the side port of the gun and snap it into place (the non valve end of the mag has a small catch that needs to be pulled to allow the mag to "snap into place" it only goes one way and only requires minimal pressure to latch now you should be able to rotate the valve and release the bb's into the feed spout on the side of the gun, open the bolt and cock the gun, it should fire a BB. If not make sure that when you rotate the valve, that BB's (about 7) shift into the gun under the mag springs pressure. and thats about it. email me if you need some pic or the manual
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Post by Viking on Aug 15, 2002 11:05:23 GMT -5
Uh huh, okay, own me with a Super9 right , despite Mike’s defense regarding this poorly made, poorly designed gun I can guarantee you will be 100 times more satisfied with a “real” sniper rifle, I would say that your best option would be the Maruzen APS. Out of the box the APS is a lot more user friendly then the M24. The CA M24 requires a lot of maintenance, tightening things up etc.
Mike I really need to get you out to one of my games again looks like someone needs to be owned.
-V I K I N G SEMTEX Operative[/color]
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Post by frostee on Aug 15, 2002 12:21:41 GMT -5
I don't know anything about the Super 9, but I might as well throw my 2 cents (U.S.D. or 1.3 cents Canadian) in anyway (since you're talking about sniper stuff and that's my position). And, don't count the Super 9 out. The Super 9 may be effective for you with a little practice. DISCLAIMER: The following opinions/advice are my own and may hold no interest for you:
As WTS-Mike alluded to, you should try to get your hands on small quantities of different weight bb's to find what your gun likes to fire best. If possible take it to a field where you will have plenty of room to make some long shots (100+ feet) with the target at multiple known distances. Pay special attention to the shooting arc and speed that your bb's make. This will help you decide which weight bb's you like best. You might like or dislike a heavier bb because of its speed (slow moving bb's are easier to trace back to the source, especially if they're white), accuracy (a heavier bb will fly much straighter, but sometimes the spin makes them travel right/left near the end of their trajectory), distance (a heavier bb will not travel as fast therefore as far as a lighter bb, but it will be less effected by wind), or sound (some heavier bb's make a frightening "vvvvvvttttthhhhhhrrrrr" sound as they fly by *sometimes followed by a satisfying "thunk" and Ouch!*).
Once you pick a bb try to stick with it. Shooting the same weight bb, over and over, will help you master the capabilities of your gun, quicker. Switching weights frequently will disrupt your learning curve by making you compensate for the different bb flight paths.
Don't purchase accessories and upgrades for your gun until you are sure you are going to keep it. There are few things more aggravating than looking back and wishing you hadn't spent the money on something, because now you're not satisfied with it.
After you have chosen a bb weight you should sight in your scope. You probably already know this, but give extra attention to mounting your scope. The scope is the eye of the rifle. If the scope is mounted securely and sighted properly the rifle will be able to see the target more clearly (speaking metaphorically here). Take your time when sighting in the scope. The best solution is to shoot from a prone position with the gun supported by something other than yourself. You should be able to move your trigger hand/arm without disturbing the gun. Take a shot (known distance target) then move the windage/elevation (without moving the gun) until the crosshairs are directly centered on the hit. The object is to keep the gun still and move the crosshairs to the hit, thereby shooting where the gun is looking (metaphorically again). After adjustment take a few shots to see if it seems to be right. If it looks good take a 10 shot round and review the grouping. You will have some "flyers" with Airsoft, so a 10 shot round will allow you to see if most the group is tightly packed. Remember, your Airsoft is not a match grade "real steel". Adjust the scope until it seems to be centered well and recheck it periodically after gun cleanings and such.
If any of this is able to help you, great... if not, sorry. These are just some things that I've discovered/learned/experienced in my short time as a sniper with SEMTEX.
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Post by WTS-Mike on Aug 15, 2002 15:30:37 GMT -5
Viking, I say that because I played a CQB skirmish with my tac launcher which is "shot out" IMO (hop up effect is minimal on .20's)and I got several kills on guys toting AEG's and high caps. I just waited, moved, and shot only when I knew I had could make the kill without comprimising my position, or running out of ammo. So I think I can go a round or two with the ol' super 9 and make it worth your while. Its all about skill and patience........ Yes the M24 and APS are far better guns than the 9, but at 4 times the price. If I am trying to encourage someone in airsoft, I want to help them get the most out of what they already HAVE. They will find out the limitations, and benefits of the particular gun soon enough. It'd be like a guy coming out to your event and the whole time he is there you rail on him about how sucky his car is, and how he should have bought this or that car with such and such modifications,......instead of just being glad he had a car to make it out to play with you guys. (verily, verily, yes that is a parable) I mean that guy is prolly not going to be too enthused about coming back, or anything. Figure this, you have 2 viable choices for spring rifles UHC MP5SD3, or Super 9, a few others maybe, but those are the popular ones, both of them are under $75 to get started with. so maybe thats all you can afford at the moment and you really want to get into this new sport of airsoft........so you scrape your pennies together and get the most appealing one that fits your budget........and instead of being welcomed or invited out to a skirmish, you get attacked for your poor choice of gun. I just tried to look at it from this guys perspective thats all..... *going to clean my super 9.......*
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Post by Viking on Aug 15, 2002 15:48:08 GMT -5
Now come on Mike, that’s not fair, I didn’t jump into the discussion by ranting on his weapon choice. I said not many people here enjoy the gun, which is true. He then asked about the flaws about the gun and I supported him with an answer, and told him what he would be happier with. Have you ever come across a player who has a Super9 and then upgraded to an APS and wish he still used the Super9? No you haven’t, have you? I wasn’t attacking the guy, he asked what I meant and I told him.
We all have to start somewhere some start hire up on the chain then others, but it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t educate them about airsoft.
I don’t want to lie to the guy and say that he’s going to go and make 100yard shots with his Super9 if he practices, because he wont, not with all the practice in the world. I wasn’t attacking him, nor the gun, just supplied opinion. But I still want to take you on w/ yer Super9, ill go out with that now broken USP I bought from ya after I fix it, I think it would be interesting. -V I K I N G SEMTEX Operative[/color]
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Post by Viking on Aug 16, 2002 0:47:22 GMT -5
I went to work and thought about this for a whee bit, until my girlfriend came to work anyway. And after explaining to her about this thread and talking to her I think I kind of realize now that my voice towards the gun and the way I explained it might have been a bit harsh.
However my opinion towards the gun does stand firm, from first person experience. I just wish I would of picked a milder tone and been a bit more descriptive other then just cutting it short by saying it was “crap.”
Still want that game Mike! Can you and Clayton come out on the 24th by chance? That will be the next event, ill be sending details to Hado when I get home from work. OH! And tell Clayton we found his hat! It’s a little weathered however.
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Post by WTS-Mike on Aug 16, 2002 1:03:27 GMT -5
I have nothing else to say!! ;D
I wondered what kind of response I would get with that post....
I know what you meant, I just started writing and before I knew it I was like 7 paragraphs down.... No harm meant, not trying to be defensive or anything, just, got on a rant......
NE way, we have an op planned out this way on the 24th at the Muskegon location, so we'll be busy with that one. thanks for the invite though!
Don't worry I will bring my ol' super 9 into the fray sometime soon....
Did I mention that I have a 150% spring in mine, shooting 422 fps with .25's:o? I was messing around to see how much spring it would handle before the sear would no longer engage.....150% is the max
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Post by Joe Smith, AAM on Sept 19, 2002 11:01:30 GMT -5
Sorry for the long delay and I do thank all of you for the comments and help. My brother just headed to TN for school so now I've got the gun, the guy my brother got it from didnt' have the non-cartridge adapter with him when they made the trade but my brother thinks he can get it from him. I'll give it a try and see how it works out, in the meantime does anyone know if there is a way to get a few more of the cartridges offhand? (I managed to lose one so I only have four of them left, the original owner had lost several before I got it) Thanks again for all the responses, I found them useful and interesting reading. (and even the couple of rants weren't all that bad compared to some I've seen. ) -Joe Smith, Average American Motorist
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