Now that there is a proposal that seems to be acceptable to most let me expand the concept just a bit. I created an Excel spreadsheet that uses the fps to Joules conversion that LargePrime posted and lists Joules for .20, .25, .30, .36, and .43 gram bb's from 1 to 700 fps. I did this because I know that a lot of players use .25's rather than .20's and I wanted to make sure that the energy ratings we agree on are really fair to all. I hope you will be able to understand the logic behind these ratings.
1-350 fps or 1.20J max - arms length engagement limit 351-410 fps or 1.69J max - 20 foot engagement limit 411-550 fps or 3.18J max - 50 foot engagement limit 551+ fps or over 3.18J - prohibited or allowed by permission of event host only
I propose these ratings because it will allow a person with a gun shooting near the high end of the fps range to shoot with .25's without the restrictiveness of the .20's Joule rating. Example- Johnny wants to play "up close and personal". Johnny's airsoft shoots near 350 fps with .2's so he's good for the close "kills". However, if we limit him to the Joule rating for .20's (1.13J) and he really prefers to use .25 (or only has .25's) he's out of luck. With the proposed fps/Joule rating we can allow him to shoot the .25's at 1.20J (323 fps). Johnny has to stay at/or under 350 fps and at/or under 1.20J. Johnny could not shoot 350 fps with his .25's because that would put him at 1.41J and he would be in the next range level (351-410 fps or 1.69J max).
The breakdown is: 1.20J = 323 with with .25 gram bb's
1.69J = 383 fps with .25 gram bb's
3.18J = 525 fps with .25's or 400 fps with .43 gram bb's
My feelings are that this is almost identical to the proposal we all seemed to like with mild exceptions for the use of .25's rather than just .20's, but with the same safety conscious limits as before.
Actually, try getting shot in the back at 15 feet once by a 350fps gun and then again with a 400fps gun, there is quite a difference in the amount of pain between the two. Secondly part of the game, that’s crap. I for one never started playing airsoft because I knew it would hurt. Airsoft is about playing mil sims in a cheap and fun environment, not about inflicting pain. Sure, I am one of those people that have a higher pain tolerance then most, I like to play with people who use higher end guns not because they hurt more but because it helps out with recreating the ballistics a little (shooting threw brush, further range, etc) but rules are set for our safety. To have unsafe rules to being with would be a waste of time, and for you to make such a comment like you just did extremely express yourself as a newbie. Newbie!
400fps arms length will break the skin...trust me...i've shot myself in the hand a couple times.
Use this as a general rule..
350 feels 2x as worse as 300. 400 feels 2x as worse as 350. 450 feels 2x as worse as 400...etc etc
don't believe me? get some teammates to shoot you in the back with one of each from about a 5 foot distance.
My G3 shoots just over 400. somewhere like 408 when i chrono'd it last.
as such, i need to remember that i'm playing my teammates and other people who might have a lower tolerance for pain than i.
95% of the time when i'm playing, My selector switch is set to semi... i only go fully automatic when supporting my advancing teammates or trying to defeat an enemy advance in force. Usually the distance from myself to target in those situations will permit me to do so.
400 is a nice even number, manageable pain, and fits in with the M120/170% standard.
for 450, you're looking at between an M130 and M140.
on paper, an M130 fires around 430 while an M140 does around 460.
Everyone seems to think that the faster their gun fires, the better they'll do... Skill and tactics are 95% of the game. equipment makes up the rest.
Equipment and tactics complement each other to form a battle strategy your team can work with. with GK, we have set roles that we all work within as a team. For example, Frostee and Q both snipe, Warmonger, Jacko, Viking, Snip, Hado, Minky, Gosu and I assault and support each other, and we all work within our roles in the squad to acomplish our objectives.
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I would like to see the first set of engagement rules vitalis suggested. I currently own a TM m4 that shoots 400 fps and would not mind having a shorter engagement rule and saying that I'm twelve suck it up and take the pain. ;D
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Post by HotelSixActual on Jan 13, 2004 23:21:48 GMT -5
I posted something before and decided to deleat it be here goes.
Notice the date on the last post leader, it was quite sometime ago. I think the FPS ranges are pretty much set. Most people have a pretty good feeling for the rules that are in place now.
Remember FPS engagements limits dont have to do with how much pain it causes, but with safty. Never comprimise safty just so you can hit someone before they hit you.
Im just going to start the flame war off and say any replica that isn't made by TOP sucks ass and you're all retarded because you dont agree I will offer no evidence to back up my position since it's an opinion and only use increasingly non-sensensical ad-hominem attacks against my detractors~ Jacko