Again, this is getting way to complicated for simple rules.
Hell, screw it and leave the rules the way they are, there was less bitching and trying to get around them then even if the fifty foot range is excessive.
Once again, the AO rules are just shining in their brilliance....
Rule 6A: The maximum weight of a bullet, that is a 6mm plastic or biodegradable, is 0.36 grams. All weapons belong to one of the following three classes: - Support Weapons: Any weapon that can fire full auto and/or has multiple HiCaps (High Capacity Magazines) or Box magazines. Maximum of 3500 BBs. The weapon is full length with bipods or look like a real support weapon. Maximum energy is 1.5J and no heavier BB's than 0.25g. - Sniper Rifles: Any weapon that is either a semi or bolt action rifle. Full auto capability and HiCap’s aren't allowed. Maximum energy is 2.32J. - Standard Weapons: A weapon that is classified as any weapon other than those above. Maximum energy is 1.5J and the bullets weight can't be heavier than 0.25g and no more than 600BB's.
The following engagement rules must be obeyed at all times (FPS measured with 0.2 grams):
- 0-350fps: Full auto and no engagement limit.
- 350-399: Full auto 25' minimum distance.
- 400-449: Semi auto 50' minimum distance.
- 450-500: Semi Auto 75' Minimum Distance.
This means that if you are using a replica that chronos between 350-399 FPS. Then you may NOT, under any circumstance, fire upon someone within 25'. You may attempt to "Surrender" them, but if they refuse to surrender, you still may NOT fire upon them.
In the spirit of good sportsmanship, it is encouraged that if you are surrended by someone with an upgraded replica within the minimum engagement limit, that you honor that surrender.
Replica's that are upgraded with the intention of beeing in the 350-399 FPS range will be allowed a 5% tolerance on a case by case basis.
Replica's that are upgraded with the intention of beeing in the 450-500FPS range will be allowed a 2% tolerance on a case by case basis.
uh huh yeah sure thats easy ill remember the 2 % when im on the field. Well i could care less considering my gun shoots 350 with .2s so i could care less I have no engagement limit and it doesnt really affect me. I just think the "replica" upgrade rule is bs, cause if they attempt to "surrender" someone, and the person turns around and opens them a new a hole, then the guy has to die because his gun is too powerful. I think then the upgraded guy should have the opportunity to fire.
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Read all the posts again and I'd like to propose something a little less than what Vitalis proposed. I really like those numbers, but I would also like to see people not try to go bonkers with the upgrades and maybe spend a little more money on gear (things like matching team gear, saving up to be able to play the big events, better radios and such). Some of the things that will also make the game more realistic.
Therefore I propose (with the Joule ratings, of course): 1-350 fps - Arms length engagement limit
351-410 fps - 20 foot engagement limit
410-550 fps – 50 foot engagement limit, permanent semi-auto or bolt action airsoft weapons only
551+ fps - prohibited or allowed with permission of event host only
My thoughts are that if a person wants to upgrade past 410 fps they are going to be putting themselves in a range category that they may find unacceptable, simply because they will be limited to semi-auto only. So, a person will either go all out an try to reach great heights with upgrades, with the understanding that they will be limited to semi-auto only at greater distances, or the individual will do the moderate, dependable upgrades that will allow them to retain full-auto and shoot at relatively close distances.
Edit: And I would say that these are more agressive than AO's (just like we wanted).
I've been ollowing along and just seeing where the rules would go. So far, i'm gonna want to go with frostee's latest proposal. IMO, that's pretty much a perfect equilibrium between safety and playability, and with great reasoning, too.
Those new FPS limits you propose sound fine to me frostee. I just wish more players would get into these discussions . As usual there are only about 5 of us trying to get things ironed out.... you'd think players would want a say in the rules that are going to govern how they play.