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Post by LargePrime on Oct 1, 2002 23:27:41 GMT -5
Well how about this.
Ricochets count. If you dont like pool shoots dont take them. Just call them "not sufficiently mobile".
Non pool shot ricochets have to be much much more common then pool shots. If so then ricochets are most often fair hits. If they are mostly good hits, count them. Let the players honor deside the iffy ones.
If you are at a CQB then ask the host to clarify this rule. Ricochets can be very valid in CQB too. If I am behind some slats of wood and your shot nicks one and hits me, well thats good to me. And if you 'Fats Dominoed' it off 3 boards, the light bulb, my scope, and hit me between the eyes, I might consider that 'not sufficently modile'. Even if you called it before you shot. ;D
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Post by Vitalis on Oct 2, 2002 13:47:13 GMT -5
Nice post Mike, and you to Large.... Ok, once again, the nature of the beast should/shall dictate the rules... Outdoor rules, ricochets will count. Indoor, they don't count. Seems reasonable to me. We have different FPS limits for indoor and outdoor games. Why not bounce rules too? -Vitalis
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Post by WTS-Mike on Oct 2, 2002 13:55:08 GMT -5
Ok, INDOOR or OUTDOOR I think this is workable and playable. (workable from the organizer standpoint and playable from the players standpoint) If a shot hits you via any other object, wall, tree, grass, bunker, GUN, etc.... and the line the bb traveled rebounding was 90 degrees or GREATER (OBTUSE ANGLE) then the ricochet is a valid HIT IF it is smaller than 90degrees (<90) from the direction of fire, then it is a NON KILLING RICOCHET. Picture to help splain..... lemme know what you think will work, either with or in addition to this. of course the angles are rough and are in relation to the direction of fire, not how you are laying! This will work for indoor too! ........I think EDIT: OOPS! #7 is the far right one at 90 degrees and it IS a KILL, albeit a pretty unlikely shot.
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Post by LargePrime on Oct 2, 2002 14:03:08 GMT -5
Obtuse and acute. Cute. I like. what about a multiple bounce? For example 3 acutes that make a greater than 90.
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Post by WTS-Mike on Oct 2, 2002 14:09:44 GMT -5
3 acutes would still make the initial impact angle acute in relation to the direction of fire.....
stop trying to be ackenweiss! ;D
basically this is just a common sense thing spelled out or more correctly "drawn out"
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Post by Vitalis on Oct 2, 2002 14:10:22 GMT -5
I like it Mike,
I like it, you are right, this is a serious "common sense" illustration...
hehehehehehe
Keeps the "Bank Shots" down.
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Post by LargePrime on Oct 2, 2002 14:55:32 GMT -5
I am totaly not trying to be an ass here.
I am very sorry if thats the way it seems.
I think that 3 acute 40 degree bounces will make a 120 and thats obtuse to the direction of fire.
Now if thats totaly silly to you guys, ok. I'll shut up.
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Post by Vitalis on Oct 2, 2002 15:12:07 GMT -5
Ok, if I am understanding Mike correctly.... It doesn't matter the angles of the bounce as long as the final bounce is in the proper angle RELATIVE to the initial firing angle. And guys, This is a bit overboard and deep... Damn, can we talk a subject to death or what? hahahahhahaha -Vitalis
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Post by WTS-Mike on Oct 2, 2002 15:13:57 GMT -5
what we are trying to say is that this is a common sense rule direct fire or intended fire aimed will fall in the obtuse angle allowance if the ricochet is acute, in other words it was either off target and bounced from behind or was intentially "banked" to hit the player then it would be a NON HIT if it bounces off more than one object and changes direction 2 x then it is a NON HIT........ again we were just trying to spell out a common sense thing. after you play a while this will all make sense to you...... and no I didn't think you were an a$$ .....
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Post by Echo on Oct 2, 2002 17:39:06 GMT -5
I'm in total agreement with Mike.
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Post by derick on Oct 2, 2002 19:40:59 GMT -5
omg i think we should just make it upo to the host. And sure that could fly i guess, but i still think it sould be up to the host
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Post by frostee on Oct 2, 2002 20:05:21 GMT -5
I think this the angle theory is way too complicated for me. I would just rather call myself out if I get hit with a ricochet that I know had some "umph" behind it, if I'm outdoors. If I'm indoors I'd prefer to just say its not a valid hit. I don't want to worry about what angle the bb hit me at as I'm fast walking to cover. I've already got the adrenaline flowing, most of my attention focused on finding cover and returning fire (provided I'm not getting too close), and also trying to keep my last bit of attention on knowing whether or not I've been hit. I don't think I can multi-task much more. The angle idea is cool, but I'm just going to end up calling myself out. Maybe I'll pretend that the object causing the ricochet fragmented and got me good.
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Post by Vitalis on Oct 2, 2002 20:28:54 GMT -5
I dunno Derick,
It breaks down simple. Outdoors, ricochets count. Indoors, they don't.
Mike's big picture is just basically for demonstration purposes to illustrate the type of hits you can take.
-Vitalis
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Post by Minky on Oct 2, 2002 20:49:53 GMT -5
Nice picture Mike, but the guy isn't wearing any eye protection! *gasp* Anyway, back to the topic at hand... I still fail to see why this whole issue got so big so fast. In the end I guess it's just too much to hope for the ideal of airsoft being a game based on honor, both for the shooter and the target. I'm with frostee in that I will pretty much just call out whenever I feel/see/hear a BB hit me. At the very most you'll be out for one round/game/scenario, and will return to the battlefield soon enough. Sadly, what should be just a common sense, unwritten rule now has to be argued over due to abuse. The fact that a player stayed in one place while BBs brushed by some weeds on their way to hitting him makes me sick... I mean come on, can you even consider that to be a "ricochet"? I don't think bullets would deviate off course or lose much energy from hitting a blade of grass...
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Post by LaStrade on Oct 2, 2002 21:05:04 GMT -5
Maybe it was super grass...
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